rec.autos.simulators

by **Luis Pezz** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hi all,

I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in core.ini
and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

I never had to change wheel setups for other games (ICR2, MTM, etc.)

Anybody had the same problem ?

TIA

Luis

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> Hi all,

> I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in core.ini
> and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

> I never had to change wheel setups for other games (ICR2, MTM, etc.)

> Anybody had the same problem ?

> TIA

> Luis

This might be of personal preference, but I think my MS FF is just about hard
enough with the default settings. It feels very much like racing go-karts. And
think about it, shouldn't it be a bit heavy to turn a wheel at high speed.
A think that puzzles me a bit is that the the wheel is very light when turning
at standstill. I wish my old Volvo where as easy as that to turn when parking.

Is this a coding flaw, or will it help to turn off steering help at slow
speeds ?

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Olav K. Malmin
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by **Richard G Cleg** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

: This might be of personal preference, but I think my MS FF is just about hard
: enough with the default settings. It feels very much like racing go-karts. And
: think about it, shouldn't it be a bit heavy to turn a wheel at high speed.
: A think that puzzles me a bit is that the the wheel is very light when turning
: at standstill. I wish my old Volvo where as easy as that to turn when parking.

I presume that the 67 F1 cars are a bit lighter than your volvo - and
might even have skinnier tyres - which should make the wheel easier to
turn. Wonder if the wheel is harder to turn when stationery if you have
a full tank of fuel?

One thing I really noticed is that the steering gets incredibly heavy
through Eau Rouge. After weeks of waiting for force feedback, I found
myself longing for power steering.

--
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

by **Borut Srebotni** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I don't have FF so i can't test this but it might be possible that toe-in is
causing the wheel to be heavier at high speed.

Borut

> > Hi all,

> > I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in
core.ini
> > and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

> > I never had to change wheel setups for other games (ICR2, MTM, etc.)

> > Anybody had the same problem ?

> > TIA

> > Luis

> This might be of personal preference, but I think my MS FF is just about
hard
> enough with the default settings. It feels very much like racing go-karts.
And
> think about it, shouldn't it be a bit heavy to turn a wheel at high speed.
> A think that puzzles me a bit is that the the wheel is very light when
turning
> at standstill. I wish my old Volvo where as easy as that to turn when
parking.

> Is this a coding flaw, or will it help to turn off steering help at slow
> speeds ?

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
> remove spam when replying

by **David L. Coo** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I agree the force is strong, but I wonder how it felt in the real '67 GP
cars. No power steering, right? I bet the FF resistance is closer than
you think...

David Cook

> Hi all,

> I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in core.ini
> and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

by **Sinj** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Check your settings for AUTO-CENTER TENSION. I always keep mine at
MAX for ultimate tension otherwise the wheel feels sloppy but feel
free to lower your settings to make it easier to turn the wheel.

On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:31:41 +0200, "Luis Pezzi"

>Hi all,

>I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in core.ini
>and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

>I never had to change wheel setups for other games (ICR2, MTM, etc.)

>Anybody had the same problem ?

>TIA

>Luis

by **drbo..** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

So don't use the default setups. The wheel manufacturer
didn't know from GPL and GPL can't fit all wheels simultaneously. If
you want good FF, you're going to have to learn to adjust things.

I can just imagine Schumacher or Martin saying "Why do we have
to spend all this time adjusting the car? I just want to drive."

bob

by **Arto Wik** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I also use MSFF, and the feel is really good: I guess you needed some
force before the times of "power steering". But what do you think of the
suggestion of setting the FF-centering to null? Somebody gave this
advice, and it really helps to feel the small differences - cleverly
programmed by Randy? - but somehow the feel is "stronger" and more
"realistic"?, when you use a little (2 or 3 of 4) of the centering
force, too. Opinions?

Arto

by **Piers C. Structure** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> I also use MSFF, and the feel is really good: I guess you needed some
> force before the times of "power steering". But what do you think of the
> suggestion of setting the FF-centering to null? Somebody gave this
> advice, and it really helps to feel the small differences - cleverly
> programmed by Randy? - but somehow the feel is "stronger" and more
> "realistic"?, when you use a little (2 or 3 of 4) of the centering
> force, too. Opinions?

Seconded, or thirded. Turn off the auto centering and adjust the
forcefeedback light/med/strong to your preference. GPL FF is, mmm,
yummy.

--
Suck The Goat

by **Jesse Blac** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Well at high speeds, tires have a tendency to want to stay straight which
makes it tougher to turn at the higher speeds. If it were real easy to
steer at high speeds then if you let go of your wheel while going down the
highway the tires might just freely turn whatever direction they felt like
and it would make for some unstable driving.

Jesse

>I don't have FF so i can't test this but it might be possible that toe-in
is
>causing the wheel to be heavier at high speed.

>Borut

>> > Hi all,

>> > I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in
>core.ini
>> > and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to
steer.

>> > I never had to change wheel setups for other games (ICR2, MTM, etc.)

>> > Anybody had the same problem ?

>> > TIA

>> > Luis

>> This might be of personal preference, but I think my MS FF is just about
>hard
>> enough with the default settings. It feels very much like racing
go-karts.
>And
>> think about it, shouldn't it be a bit heavy to turn a wheel at high
speed.
>> A think that puzzles me a bit is that the the wheel is very light when
>turning
>> at standstill. I wish my old Volvo where as easy as that to turn when
>parking.

>> Is this a coding flaw, or will it help to turn off steering help at slow
>> speeds ?

>> --
>> Olav K. Malmin
>> remove spam when replying

by **Jesse Blac** » Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Well I can also see Schumacher saying, "man the deadzone on this car is
really too big, I have to turn the wheel so far before it starts turning,"
or, "When I hit the bump down the front straight, I can feel some lag in the
force through the steering wheel, we need to adjust our lag parameters to
make them sync up better." The game already has a setup screen for setting
up the car which seems to be generally the same stuff that Schumacher and
Martin tend to adjust on their cars. Oh well, just wanted to exaggerate on
your comment, I am trying to think of another way to compare the reason you
have to adjust the FF but there arent many real world comparison because
force in our world is not something we can just go and tweak. (I dont like
how I die when I fall off of a building, cant we make gravity weaker and
maybe make the effects of a direct impact with the ground at 80 MPH a little
less severe?) hehe.

Oh well
Jesse

>>I just started usign de 1.1 patch. Using default FF setups (both in
core.ini
>>and Control Panel Device) the wheel (MS FF) feels way too hard to steer.

> So don't use the default setups. The wheel manufacturer
>didn't know from GPL and GPL can't fit all wheels simultaneously. If
>you want good FF, you're going to have to learn to adjust things.

> I can just imagine Schumacher or Martin saying "Why do we have
>to spend all this time adjusting the car? I just want to drive."

> bob

by **Jan Verschuere** » Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Hmmm.... I think we're just used to the resistance to turning increasing no
matter what. Whereas with FF, as in real life, the steering goes light when
the front wheels break traction.

Jan.
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<snip> But what do you think of the >suggestion of setting the

by **Bart Westr** » Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Is that the centering in the Sidewinder control panel? I have it set to max
for GP2. As soon as GPL starts, the centering force is gone.

Bart Westra

by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> Well at high speeds, tires have a tendency to want to stay straight which
> makes it tougher to turn at the higher speeds. If it were real easy to
> steer at high speeds then if you let go of your wheel while going down the
> highway the tires might just freely turn whatever direction they felt like
> and it would make for some unstable driving.

> Jesse

It's physics class again. I don't know how to explain it in english though, but
the spinning mass of the tire make it a gyroscope, you need force to change the
direction. It's the same priciple you use when riding a bicycle or a
motorcycle. It's the gyroscope effects of the wheels that prevent you from
saying hello to the tarmac in an unfriendly way.

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:00:00

> : This might be of personal preference, but I think my MS FF is just about hard
> : enough with the default settings. It feels very much like racing go-karts. And
> : think about it, shouldn't it be a bit heavy to turn a wheel at high speed.
> : A think that puzzles me a bit is that the the wheel is very light when turning
> : at standstill. I wish my old Volvo where as easy as that to turn when parking.

> I presume that the 67 F1 cars are a bit lighter than your volvo - and
> might even have skinnier tyres - which should make the wheel easier to
> turn. Wonder if the wheel is harder to turn when stationery if you have
> a full tank of fuel?

I don't know what dimensions the tires of a 67 F1 car was, but I guess the
front tires are still a bit wider than my 185cm wide tires on my car. It still
doesn't explain why it is not harder to turn when stationary. Maybe some of you
newsgroupfriendly papy folks could fill us in on this one ?

> One thing I really noticed is that the steering gets incredibly heavy
> through Eau Rouge. After weeks of waiting for force feedback, I found
> myself longing for power steering.

> --
> Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
> Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

> www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

--
Olav K. Malmin
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