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GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

Eric Cot

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Eric Cot » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
venue
of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
from
frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
Full story HERE : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Hope this will help some of you :)

BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

Cheers

Eric

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Andre Warrin

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be
sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows
directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that.
After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed
windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and
everything is working perfect again.

But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what
has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq
conflics?

Andre

On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote


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>In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
>to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
>venue
>of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
>from
>frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
>turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
>ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
>Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com

>Hope this will help some of you :)

>BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
>For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

>Cheers

>Eric
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Jan Hoviu

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Jan Hoviu » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be
> sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows
> directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that.
> After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed
> windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and
> everything is working perfect again.

> But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what
> has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq
> conflics?

Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know
whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time
one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1
patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would
indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the
LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

> Andre

> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote

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> >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
> >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
> >venue
> >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
> >from
> >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
> >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
> >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
> >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com

> >Hope this will help some of you :)

> >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
> >For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

> >Cheers

> >Eric
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jbp

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by jbp » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00


work on NT4?

Just a thought...

Joseph Birr-Pixton

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Take the***out of my address to email me


>> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be
>> sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows
>> directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that.
>> After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed
>> windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and
>> everything is working perfect again.

>> But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what
>> has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq
>> conflics?

>Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know
>whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time
>one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1
>patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would
>indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the
>LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

>> Andre

>> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote

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>> >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
>> >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
>> >venue
>> >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
>> >from
>> >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
>> >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
>> >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
>> >Full story HERE : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> >Hope this will help some of you :)

>> >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
>> >For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

>> >Cheers

>> >Eric
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Marc Collin

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Marc Collin » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I am glad you have fixed yours, but I still have it--with no resource
conflicts or sharing whatsoever.  When I recently installed a Hercules
Thriller 3D, I noticed that the slo mo was virtually eliminated on that card
while it remains on my V2, with no other changes to the system.  Then,
playing around a bit with slots and IRQ's, I managed to get a bunch of
things, including the Thriller, sharing and overlapping (but not officially
conflicting in Windows) and there is still almost no slo mo with the
Thriller.  This is a hugely complex problem that is going to take a lot of
testing to resolve.  I am officially volunteering for beta testing duty here
and now.  We owe it to Randy and the others who tried to help us out (with
more GPL features) to get this mess resolved as quickly and efficiently as
possible.

Marc.


Eric Cot

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Eric Cot » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Like I've explained, my created the problem by going with
a LWFF that runs on USB, i had a potential conflict before, but
since i never used the USB in GPL it was potent only.

Cheers

Eric

http://www.simracingmag.com


> Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be
> sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows
> directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that.
> After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed
> windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and
> everything is working perfect again.

> But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what
> has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq
> conflics?

> Andre

> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote

> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
> >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
> >venue
> >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
> >from
> >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
> >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
> >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
> >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com

> >Hope this will help some of you :)

> >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
> >For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

> >Cheers

> >Eric
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Eric Cot

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Eric Cot » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

There you go, since i brought a USB device that is used in GPL, bingo

That doesn't mean it could be another type of conflict, just happened
that my USB was potent until I use it

Cheers

Eric

http://www.simracingmag.com



> > Eric, my slow-mo problems were gone after I reinstalled windows. To be
> > sure that the install was 100& fresh I first deleted my windows
> > directory, then I did the new install. No more problems after that.
> > After I read your explanation, it can be that before I installed
> > windows again I also had irq conflicts. Now I don't have them and
> > everything is working perfect again.

> > But I still wonder why the problems only came after the patch... what
> > has changed since the patch that GPL becomes so vulnerable for irq
> > conflics?

> Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know
> whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this time
> one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1
> patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it would
> indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e. the
> LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.

> > Andre

> > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:09 -0400, Eric Cote

> > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> > >In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
> > >to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
> > >venue
> > >of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
> > >from
> > >frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
> > >turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
> > >ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
> > >Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com

> > >Hope this will help some of you :)

> > >BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
> > >For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

> > >Cheers

> > >Eric
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Albert Grae

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Albert Grae » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Well, I guess we are all aware that this cannot be the general solution,
although it may work for some happy people. I don't see how one can get away
without irq sharing on a pretty normal system which has the necessary
hardware for Ethernet, WAN, decent sound and graphics, USB etc. And you
probably cannot expect the average user to fiddle with his system resources
just to work around this. I also have the (offline) slowmo problem (on a 333
MHz Pentium II with 128 MB RAM and V3-2000), and I tried everything, from
the tweaks described in the VROC 1.1 FAQ up to reinstalling Windows from
scratch. Following your remarks I now also disabled everything except the
most basic devices. Nothing cures this problem for me. It's a bug in the
software, such things happen -- realtime programming is very complex. :-)
Since this apparently happens on many systems, I have hope that Papy can
reproduce it as well. This does not mean that it's easy to fix, though, so I
guess we should not hold our breath until the next patch comes out.

Anyway, GPL is such a _marvellous_ piece of software, I can certainly be
patient enough to wait until Papy sorts this out. Meanwhile, I am back to
the 1.0 version which runs without a flaw on my system (I miss FF, though
;-).

Go ahead, Papy, and keep up the good work!

--
Dr. Albert Gr"af

WWW:    http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Marc Collin

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Marc Collin » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Another point....do you still get the above 36 fps happening now that you
have rid yourself of the slo mo??

I think if your frame rates are still weird, you are in the same boat as I
am with the Thriller....minimal slo mo, but you can't trust the lap times...

Marc.


Marty U'Re

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Marty U'Re » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

As I understand it, 'they' found the slomo sync problem shortly after 1.1 was
released and fixed shortly after that.

But, the new patch with the fix has to go through a complete testing cycle
before it's released. Apparently not only are the problems fixed but the online
play is better than it's ever been.

If it helps, patience is a virtue. :-)

Marty


> Well, I guess we are all aware that this cannot be the general solution,
> although it may work for some happy people. I don't see how one can get away
> without irq sharing on a pretty normal system which has the necessary
> hardware for Ethernet, WAN, decent sound and graphics, USB etc. And you
> probably cannot expect the average user to fiddle with his system resources
> just to work around this. I also have the (offline) slowmo problem (on a 333
> MHz Pentium II with 128 MB RAM and V3-2000), and I tried everything, from
> the tweaks described in the VROC 1.1 FAQ up to reinstalling Windows from
> scratch. Following your remarks I now also disabled everything except the
> most basic devices. Nothing cures this problem for me. It's a bug in the
> software, such things happen -- realtime programming is very complex. :-)
> Since this apparently happens on many systems, I have hope that Papy can
> reproduce it as well. This does not mean that it's easy to fix, though, so I
> guess we should not hold our breath until the next patch comes out.

> Anyway, GPL is such a _marvellous_ piece of software, I can certainly be
> patient enough to wait until Papy sorts this out. Meanwhile, I am back to
> the 1.0 version which runs without a flaw on my system (I miss FF, though
> ;-).

> Go ahead, Papy, and keep up the good work!

> --
> Dr. Albert Gr"af

> WWW:    http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Marty U'Re

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Marty U'Re » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Perhaps I'm wrong about how quickly they fixed it, but the cause of the problem
was known early on and is now fixed.

Plus, the opportunity to tune the online communications will give us the best
online play ever.

Marty


> >As I understand it, 'they' found the slomo sync problem shortly after 1.1
> was
> >released and fixed shortly after that.

> Hmm, on his page Eric Cote cites Alison Hine with that the problem was there
> in 1.1.0.3 thru 1.1.0.9; this does not sound as they fixed it right away
> (unless they produce new versions faster than new Linux kernels come out :).

> Has anyone from Papy already commented publicly on what the status of the
> new version is? Probably not, since any such message would certainly stir a
> flood of emails.

> And, while "patience is a virtue," couldn't I get a copy of the 1.1.0.10
> patch (just kidding ;-)?

> --
> Dr. Albert Gr"af

> WWW:    http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Eric Cot

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Eric Cot » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

No Marc, i spoke to Alison and Randy, my problem was not slomo / turbo
but rather frame stutter. That problem is cured, and my FPS counter
stays at 36 FPS

Cheers

Eric


> Another point....do you still get the above 36 fps happening now that you
> have rid yourself of the slo mo??

> I think if your frame rates are still weird, you are in the same boat as I
> am with the Thriller....minimal slo mo, but you can't trust the lap times...

> Marc.



> > In the past 3 weeks, I was suffering from a problem that seem impossible
> > to cure until finally I put the finger on the cause of it. With the
> > venue
> > of GPL 1.1 there's some people without problems, others suffer badly
> > from
> > frame stutter (offline and / or online), now commonly known as slomo /
> > turbo frame rate. Rather difficult to drive this way. Yesterday, in an
> > ultimate attempt to cure it (i was gonna give up {g}, finally got it!!
> > Full story HERE : http://www.simracingmag.com

> > Hope this will help some of you :)

> > BTW I still need about 45 people to fill the GPL RACERS SURVEY
> > For those who haven't done it, please check it out.

> > Cheers

> > Eric

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Albert Grae

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Albert Grae » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Hmm, on his page Eric Cote cites Alison Hine with that the problem was there
in 1.1.0.3 thru 1.1.0.9; this does not sound as they fixed it right away
(unless they produce new versions faster than new Linux kernels come out :).

Has anyone from Papy already commented publicly on what the status of the
new version is? Probably not, since any such message would certainly stir a
flood of emails.

And, while "patience is a virtue," couldn't I get a copy of the 1.1.0.10
patch (just kidding ;-)?

--
Dr. Albert Gr"af

WWW:    http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag

Peter Prochazk

GPL 1.1 and "turbo / slomo image effect

by Peter Prochazk » Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Same with me. PIII450,V3 3000,SBLiveValue,LWFF USB. I only get slow-mo, when
the fps are lower than 36 (at the start of a race with 19 AI and too much
graphics). Offline, that is, as I don't quite feel ready yet to inflict my
driving on *real* people... :-)

Peter
Vienna, Austria



> I have an LWFF USB wheel and experienced no slow-mo, but I run with
> all the eye candy off (no dynamic lighting, skids, smoke etc.) and
> only cars visible in mirrors maybe that has something to do with it.

> So I'm at least one USW FF wheel user with no slow-mo's at all in 1.1

> Seeyas on the track.

> --John (Joao) Silva



> >Can it be that since the 1.1 patch we have FF implemented? I don't know
> >whether there's been a survey (sorry: again a survey, but I think this
time
> >one which could give the PAPY guys a clue on what's wrong with their 1.1
> >patch) on what configurations experience the slo-mo effect. Maybe it
would
> >indeed become clear it has something to do with USB (remember that f.e.
the
> >LWFF uses USB!) and/or assigned IRQ's which could cause conflicts.


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