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RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

Larr

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Larr » Mon, 05 May 2003 04:00:13

Well, that was fun wasn't it :)

I was about 3 laps shy of catching Boster, but had to settle for 4th.  But
I'm happy because even though I logged an incident, I finished without any
damage.  That's a feat at this track.

My spotter has been fired.  He wasn't working worth a DAMN when it came to
cars on the outside of me when they were in the complete blind spot.  Did
anyone else have that problem?  I never knew anyone was there half the time.

I also lost all chat and F-Key control capabilities for about 4 laps.  Not
sure what the hell that was all about.  It eventually came back.  It
happened right after I got my Lap back.

Thanks for not fighting me too *** that Ed :)

I got a BF for passing while entering the pits.  I really don't know why, I
was careful to lay back to prevent it but I guess someone slowed on the
track or something as I was entering.  I'd really like to see something done
about this.

My hats off to the Lap-down cars.  Today was the best manners I've seen yet!

On the last restart, I did get caught up in a large group of lap cars and
lost about 7 seconds to the lead pack.  Not their fault, there was just so
many of them to pass.  Once I got clear track I was closing up pretty good
but ran out of time.

And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today.  My biggest
fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended, especially
going into turn 3.  It never happened to me and I never hit anyone else in
the rear.  Good job!

There were few yellows for this track.  Again, great job on everyone's part!

Nice win Ian, and nice run Neil. I had something for ya, but I was just too
far back to catch up in time :)

-Larry

John Simmon

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by John Simmon » Mon, 05 May 2003 05:52:51



Well, almost everyone...

Eldre

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Eldre » Mon, 05 May 2003 08:43:01



>Well, that was fun wasn't it :)

No, it wasn't.  For the second time in as many races I've caused the first
caution by spinning out.  Grrr...  Apologies to those affected.  
I'm getting sick of this.  I'm going to sit out for a couple of races until I
learn how to drive the ***ing thing...

Eldred
p.s. Ed, the replay is now available.
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Ed Solhei

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Ed Solhei » Mon, 05 May 2003 10:12:13

It was a tricky setup Eldred...  Very loose under braking.

IMHO, that's the worst thing you can do Eldred! Get your ass back in the
races again.
If you ever wanna learn how to walk- you gotta rise from the falls and give
it another go!

Thanks! d/ling as "we speak" ;o)

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Bamada

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Bamada » Mon, 05 May 2003 12:28:50

I'll second that John...

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Brian Oste » Mon, 05 May 2003 13:29:53

It was a very tricky setup.  IMO T1 at Richmond is one of the hardest
turns.  If you don't hit your mark/brake/etc. you will be all out of
shape and can easily spin the car.

My appolgies to Ed (sort of).  I looked at the replay and it looked
like you came down onto me, but I shoulda given more room with that
many laps left.  I was really driving you up the track and you broke
on the turn sooner than I did.  You were definetly the fastest guy
there and would have most certainly won the race.  I was a 5th place
car at best.  I Chalk it up to one of those racin deals but I should
have given a little more than I took.

Good job too Larry also, he got stuck in traffice but was catching me
by about 2 or 3 10ths per lap... only needed a few more...

  All in all it was a pretty clean race.  Shoulda stuck around John,
look at Robby Gordon... 3 laps down and ended up with a top 5.

Brian Oster

On Sun, 4 May 2003 03:12:13 +0200, "Ed Solheim"


>"EldredP"  writes:

>> No, it wasn't.  For the second time in as many races I've caused the first
>> caution by spinning out.  Grrr...  Apologies to those affected.

>It was a tricky setup Eldred...  Very loose under braking.

>> I'm getting sick of this.  I'm going to sit out for a couple of races
>until I
>> learn how to drive the ***ing thing...

>IMHO, that's the worst thing you can do Eldred! Get your ass back in the
>races again.
>If you ever wanna learn how to walk- you gotta rise from the falls and give
>it another go!

>> p.s. Ed, the replay is now available.

>Thanks! d/ling as "we speak" ;o)

Neil Charlto

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Neil Charlto » Mon, 05 May 2003 18:35:32

Great race :))

Mostly paranoia for me - spent the first half of the race thinking 'how will
I ever get past Ed' and the second half worrying about 'how will I keep Ian
behind'. This was interspersed with worries about Larry and Brian. I was
never more than 1s out of the lead or 1s in it for the entire race -
absolutely intense :))

I also can't believe I just went 160L at Richmond without an incident or a
scratch. Real shame about Ed an Larry - could have been a titanic struggle
at the end. I think the outcome would have been (and was) decided on who was
best on old tyres. Ian showed himself to be the best there so congrats Ian -
richly deserved.

Keep plugging away Eldred - you know you're steady and safe - you just have
to believe it again.

cya next time


Eldre

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Eldre » Mon, 05 May 2003 20:40:25


writes:

I've fallen, and I can't get up...  I'm currently a liability on the track.
And, I don't have the time right now to put in the laps to even get my skill
level to 'mediocre'.  Maybe I'll have enough practice by the time we get to
C***te.  Maybe Pocono...

Eldred
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Tim Paulli

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Tim Paulli » Mon, 05 May 2003 23:46:53




> > And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today.  My
biggest
> > fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended, especially
> > going into turn 3.  It never happened to me and I never hit anyone else
in
> > the rear.  Good job!

> Well, almost everyone...

saw that coming.
John Simmon

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by John Simmon » Tue, 06 May 2003 00:35:39


says...





> > > And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today.  My
> biggest
> > > fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended, especially
> > > going into turn 3.  It never happened to me and I never hit anyone else
> in
> > > the rear.  Good job!

> > Well, almost everyone...

> saw that coming.

I didn't save the replay. We were on the back stretch i think, so how
did you manage to***the pooch?  My first guess is that you simply
weren't paying attention.  

I pretty annoyed/pissed at being eliminated just 3 laps into the race
as a result of contact during a caution.

I'm getting more pissed off at the sim every time I race. There's no
freakin' reason that I should have lost 4th gear due to being hit
from behind like that, and there should have been every possibility
of the pit crew being able to fix it, but the "ultimate racing sim"
doesn't seem to be aware of this possibility.

In the patch, I hope they back off the incidental damage a little so
most of us can finsih a ***in' race once in a while.  Relaism is
fine, but not at the expense of playability and the "fun" factor.

I'm ready to recommend that we back the damage off to "moderate" just
to avoid problems like this.

jon

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by jon » Tue, 06 May 2003 01:08:55

I believe I bore the brunt of your little mishap along with you, and I can
honestly say the only reason I was around to collect you was the fact I was
mere milliseconds from doing the same thing you did. Keep pluggin' I'd say.
Now Pocono. I am notoriously bad there.



Brian Oste

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Brian Oste » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:23:15



>says...


>I'm getting more pissed off at the sim every time I race. There's no
>freakin' reason that I should have lost 4th gear due to being hit
>from behind like that, and there should have been every possibility
>of the pit crew being able to fix it, but the "ultimate racing sim"
>doesn't seem to be aware of this possibility.

>In the patch, I hope they back off the incidental damage a little so
>most of us can finsih a ***in' race once in a while.  Relaism is
>fine, but not at the expense of playability and the "fun" factor.

>I'm ready to recommend that we back the damage off to "moderate" just
>to avoid problems like this.

I think we should stick with realistic, there are consequences for
making a mistake.  They do need to fix the damage model though.  It is
stupid to loose a gear due to contact.  In fact, gears are lost all
too often.  You don't see near the transmission failures in real life.
I just wish there was an option to turn off random failures in on-line
games.

Brian Oster

Larr

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Larr » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:03:44

Sitting out is NOT the thing to do Eldred.  You have to stick with it.  I
mean that.

Eventually, that "one little thing" will come to you.  It's different for
everyone, and if we weren't running fixed setups I may have never found "one
little thing" that has allowed me to improve so much this year.  By running
fixed setups, I proved to myself it was 'me' and not the fact that everyone
else was so much better at making open setups.  Setups are an important part
of it, of course, but I personally believe that the driver figuring out that
"one little thing" makes the biggest difference of all.

For me, that "one little thing" was the revelation that speed doesn't come
from corner entry, it comes from corner EXIT.  For a long time I've was
trying to hard too enter the corner as fast as possible.  For me, that was
the wrong approach.  As soon as I started adjusting my corner entries for
the best possible outcome "Apex-Out" everything turned around for me,
especially at the short tracks where I really had a lot of trouble.  How
well I can apply this to Road Courses is yet to be seen, but I look forward
to it.

So hang in there.  It will eventually come to you.  Hell, I may have even
just given you your secret as well :)

Larry




> >Well, that was fun wasn't it :)

> No, it wasn't.  For the second time in as many races I've caused the first
> caution by spinning out.  Grrr...  Apologies to those affected.
> I'm getting sick of this.  I'm going to sit out for a couple of races
until I
> learn how to drive the ***ing thing...

> Eldred
> p.s. Ed, the replay is now available.
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> with experience...
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Larr

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Larr » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:05:38

The secret to this setup for entry was to lightly apply the brakes (very
lightly) BEFORE letting off the gas.  This settled the car and kept the rear
end under control.

This was a setup/track where using both the brake and the gas at the same
time were very advantageous to keeping the car stable.

Letting off the Gas without having brake pressure applied, and thus the
slight forward bias working for you, was a bad thing.

Larry


Larr

RASCAR: Richmond Post Race

by Larr » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:08:14

Good job to you too, Bos.

Sorry for running you up to the wall in the first lap.  That was one of the
times where my spotter was totally silent, and I had NO idea you were there.
I had this _feeling_ someone might be there, and that's why I didn't run all
the way up to the wall but I still ended up going just a bit too high and we
touched.  I'm glad it didn't turn into anything :)

Larry


> It was a very tricky setup.  IMO T1 at Richmond is one of the hardest
> turns.  If you don't hit your mark/brake/etc. you will be all out of
> shape and can easily spin the car.

> My appolgies to Ed (sort of).  I looked at the replay and it looked
> like you came down onto me, but I shoulda given more room with that
> many laps left.  I was really driving you up the track and you broke
> on the turn sooner than I did.  You were definetly the fastest guy
> there and would have most certainly won the race.  I was a 5th place
> car at best.  I Chalk it up to one of those racin deals but I should
> have given a little more than I took.

> Good job too Larry also, he got stuck in traffice but was catching me
> by about 2 or 3 10ths per lap... only needed a few more...

>   All in all it was a pretty clean race.  Shoulda stuck around John,
> look at Robby Gordon... 3 laps down and ended up with a top 5.

> Brian Oster

> On Sun, 4 May 2003 03:12:13 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

> >"EldredP"  writes:

> >> No, it wasn't.  For the second time in as many races I've caused the
first
> >> caution by spinning out.  Grrr...  Apologies to those affected.

> >It was a tricky setup Eldred...  Very loose under braking.

> >> I'm getting sick of this.  I'm going to sit out for a couple of races
> >until I
> >> learn how to drive the ***ing thing...

> >IMHO, that's the worst thing you can do Eldred! Get your ass back in the
> >races again.
> >If you ever wanna learn how to walk- you gotta rise from the falls and
give
> >it another go!

> >> p.s. Ed, the replay is now available.

> >Thanks! d/ling as "we speak" ;o)


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