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by **Larr** » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:10:41

I'm not totally terrible at Pocono, but my luck there is dismal.

The last race there was like a circus for me. I was damaged, and everytime
I stayed high (way, way high) to let the closing car go low and around, the
car instead just went high too and rammed me in the ass-end. I don't know
what the hell that was all about, but I got nailed like 6 times the exact
same way.

Larry

> I believe I bore the brunt of your little mishap along with you, and I can
> honestly say the only reason I was around to collect you was the fact I
was
> mere milliseconds from doing the same thing you did. Keep pluggin' I'd
say.
> Now Pocono. I am notoriously bad there.

> > writes:

> > >IMHO, that's the worst thing you can do Eldred! Get your ass back in
the
> > >races again.
> > >If you ever wanna learn how to walk- you gotta rise from the falls and
> give
> > >it another go!

> > I've fallen, and I can't get up... I'm currently a liability on the
> track.
> > And, I don't have the time right now to put in the laps to even get my
> skill
> > level to 'mediocre'. Maybe I'll have enough practice by the time we get
> to
> > C***te. Maybe Pocono...

> > Eldred
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by **Larr** » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:13:06

I was catching up, but there just wasn't enough time and I needed a yellow
BAD to close it up :)

The lappers were gentleman, but there was just _so_ much traffic that I
couldn't get around it all in time.

Larry

> Great race :))

> Mostly paranoia for me - spent the first half of the race thinking 'how
will
> I ever get past Ed' and the second half worrying about 'how will I keep
Ian
> behind'. This was interspersed with worries about Larry and Brian. I was
> never more than 1s out of the lead or 1s in it for the entire race -
> absolutely intense :))

> I also can't believe I just went 160L at Richmond without an incident or a
> scratch. Real shame about Ed an Larry - could have been a titanic struggle
> at the end. I think the outcome would have been (and was) decided on who
was
> best on old tyres. Ian showed himself to be the best there so congrats
Ian -
> richly deserved.

> Keep plugging away Eldred - you know you're steady and safe - you just
have
> to believe it again.

> cya next time

> > Well, that was fun wasn't it :)

> > I was about 3 laps shy of catching Boster, but had to settle for 4th.
But
> > I'm happy because even though I logged an incident, I finished without
any
> > damage. That's a feat at this track.

> > My spotter has been fired. He wasn't working worth a DAMN when it came
to
> > cars on the outside of me when they were in the complete blind spot.
Did
> > anyone else have that problem? I never knew anyone was there half the
> time.

> > I also lost all chat and F-Key control capabilities for about 4 laps.
Not
> > sure what the hell that was all about. It eventually came back. It
> > happened right after I got my Lap back.

> > Thanks for not fighting me too *** that Ed :)

> > I got a BF for passing while entering the pits. I really don't know
why,
> I
> > was careful to lay back to prevent it but I guess someone slowed on the
> > track or something as I was entering. I'd really like to see something
> done
> > about this.

> > My hats off to the Lap-down cars. Today was the best manners I've seen
> yet!

> > On the last restart, I did get caught up in a large group of lap cars
and
> > lost about 7 seconds to the lead pack. Not their fault, there was just
so
> > many of them to pass. Once I got clear track I was closing up pretty
good
> > but ran out of time.

> > And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today. My
> biggest
> > fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended, especially
> > going into turn 3. It never happened to me and I never hit anyone else
in
> > the rear. Good job!

> > There were few yellows for this track. Again, great job on everyone's
> part!

> > Nice win Ian, and nice run Neil. I had something for ya, but I was just
> too
> > far back to catch up in time :)

> > -Larry

by **Larr** » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:16:41

John,

I'm willing to second you on the moderate damage thing mainly because of the
issues you raise, and the random damage that's just a bit too random.

At Darlington I lost my engine for barely getting tapped in the REAR. It
was bogus and it made me mad as hell.

And I lost 4th gear at Martinsville for NO reason whatsoever. I was even
'easy-shifting' to prevent gearbox problems, and it just disappeared on a
restart for no reason at all.

I think the current group of us are good enough and mannerly enough where it
wouldn't hurt us.

Larry

> says...

> > > > And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today. My
> > biggest
> > > > fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended,
especially
> > > > going into turn 3. It never happened to me and I never hit anyone
else
> > in
> > > > the rear. Good job!

> > > Well, almost everyone...

> > saw that coming.

> I didn't save the replay. We were on the back stretch i think, so how
> did you manage to***the pooch? My first guess is that you simply
> weren't paying attention.

> I pretty annoyed/pissed at being eliminated just 3 laps into the race
> as a result of contact during a caution.

> I'm getting more pissed off at the sim every time I race. There's no
> freakin' reason that I should have lost 4th gear due to being hit
> from behind like that, and there should have been every possibility
> of the pit crew being able to fix it, but the "ultimate racing sim"
> doesn't seem to be aware of this possibility.

> In the patch, I hope they back off the incidental damage a little so
> most of us can finsih a ***in' race once in a while. Relaism is
> fine, but not at the expense of playability and the "fun" factor.

> I'm ready to recommend that we back the damage off to "moderate" just
> to avoid problems like this.

by **Larr** » Tue, 06 May 2003 02:18:35

If there was a way to turn off the Random Damage, then I would totally
agree. Keep the damage at realistic. But we have to find a way around this
issue until Papy fixes it and I think John's idea is the only one we
realistically have.

If it was an open racing situation I'd never even think about it. But we
have a pretty good group for the most part.

And if people start getting carless then we can always pull the plug on it
and go back to realistic. It would be up to EVERYONE to keep the moderate
setting feasible.

Larry

> >says...

> >I'm getting more pissed off at the sim every time I race. There's no
> >freakin' reason that I should have lost 4th gear due to being hit
> >from behind like that, and there should have been every possibility
> >of the pit crew being able to fix it, but the "ultimate racing sim"
> >doesn't seem to be aware of this possibility.

> >In the patch, I hope they back off the incidental damage a little so
> >most of us can finsih a ***in' race once in a while. Relaism is
> >fine, but not at the expense of playability and the "fun" factor.

> >I'm ready to recommend that we back the damage off to "moderate" just
> >to avoid problems like this.

> I think we should stick with realistic, there are consequences for
> making a mistake. They do need to fix the damage model though. It is
> stupid to loose a gear due to contact. In fact, gears are lost all
> too often. You don't see near the transmission failures in real life.
> I just wish there was an option to turn off random failures in on-line
> games.

> Brian Oster

by **Brian Oste** » Tue, 06 May 2003 03:40:31

>Sorry for running you up to the wall in the first lap. That was one of the
>times where my spotter was totally silent, and I had NO idea you were there.
>I had this _feeling_ someone might be there, and that's why I didn't run all
>the way up to the wall but I still ended up going just a bit too high and we
>touched. I'm glad it didn't turn into anything :)

>Larry

Actually, I don't even rember that. One thing that bugs me about the
spotter is he doesn't immediatly tell you when you are clear after a
re-start. He waits until the middle of the backstretch which allways
makes it hard for me on restarts.

Brian Oster

by **Tim Paulli** » Tue, 06 May 2003 03:50:04

> says...

> > > > And finally my hats off to everyone for using your brakes today. My
> > biggest
> > > > fear coming into this race was getting continually ass-ended,
especially
> > > > going into turn 3. It never happened to me and I never hit anyone
else
> > in
> > > > the rear. Good job!

> > > Well, almost everyone...

> > saw that coming.

> I didn't save the replay. We were on the back stretch i think, so how
> did you manage to***the pooch? My first guess is that you simply
> weren't paying attention.

> I pretty annoyed/pissed at being eliminated just 3 laps into the race
> as a result of contact during a caution.

> I'm getting more pissed off at the sim every time I race. There's no
> freakin' reason that I should have lost 4th gear due to being hit
> from behind like that, and there should have been every possibility
> of the pit crew being able to fix it, but the "ultimate racing sim"
> doesn't seem to be aware of this possibility.

> In the patch, I hope they back off the incidental damage a little so
> most of us can finsih a ***in' race once in a while. Relaism is
> fine, but not at the expense of playability and the "fun" factor.

> I'm ready to recommend that we back the damage off to "moderate" just
> to avoid problems like this.

Your guess would be right. I wasn't even going over pace speed. Just pulled
left to avoid hitting the car ahead of me and to not get hit in the back,
and whammo there you were.

But there was not way I hit you hard enough to wreck 4th gear or the power
loss I took.

Like I told my wife, my 1st RASCAR race and I take out one of the guys that
run the league. (F%$%#$)
I'm sure you'll have a chance to get even

Tim.

by **Ed Solhei** » Tue, 06 May 2003 03:56:00

"Brian Oster" \writes:

That should have been my race I think - or atleast that what I like to
think :-)
Like you said... it's just one of 'em racing deals.. I wanted to give Larry
his lap back as soon as possible 'cause the last thing I wanted was to be
rear-ended into a corner (no pun Larry)... I figured the best way was just
to let him go early on and then stick to his bumber until the next yellow
came out.. I figured I had a fast enough car to keep both you and Neil
behind me so to me it would have benn one less thing to worry about..

Anyways, what actually happend was that, as I was letting Larry go passed I
went soo high up the track that I touched the wall. I wanted to get out of
that asap so it wouldnt cut my speed down... Unfortunatly, you had followed
me up the banking and, as I was coming down again - you were right beside me
and we touched. :-(
And then as I was coming to a halt beside the outside wall - Grub hit me
head on at full speed - sending me flying down the track and killing my
engine - my race was done.

Richmond marked my 1 year anniversary in RASCAR... This was the first track
I competed at last season - finishing second to Mike - so I was thrilled as
hell with my pace on Saturday. I had a damn good car - something Neil must
have seen. Those 3 laps side-by-side sure was amazing! I also felt I could
control my pace so it would have made for an exicting finish....

Anyway kudos to the front-runners and "lappers" (hate that word) - it was a
good race and an exicting finish.... And con'grats to Ian for winning -
even though he did "cheat" <g!> :o)

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by **grub** » Tue, 06 May 2003 10:30:17

Richmond; heck I dont know where to start. My spotter really sucked. Never
been that bad before. Got lapped too early in the race. Next, mr. newbie
decides to take a break at the restart and I get the BF for passing on the
yellow. That really pissed me off. If you want to stop on the track, just go
into the pits and get your own Bf. Later on in the race the same newbie
wants me to pass him on the restart. Good intention on his part......but I
wasnt going to get another Bf. Well after the first turn newbie decides to
slam on the brakes and I just about piled drove both of us into the wall,
then after I passed the newbie, the piled drove me at the next turn. I
couldn't believe it.

Would someone look at the replay and tell me what happened. I didnt save it.

Newbie wanted to discuss it and I told him not during the race! We could
talk about it later. Then he replied that he only wanted to 'get some laps'.
Then he left. Since I got a ford 2.0 engine to rebuild , I parked my car for
the day and went down to the ba***t to try to forget this race. I hope the
newbie reads the rules and tries harder in the future. I was a newbie once
and so I cant be too *** him, but , man, that really pissed me off. See
everyone at the next race.

by **Eldre** » Tue, 06 May 2003 12:47:23

>For me, that "one little thing" was the revelation that speed doesn't come
>from corner entry, it comes from corner EXIT. For a long time I've was
>trying to hard too enter the corner as fast as possible. For me, that was
>the wrong approach. As soon as I started adjusting my corner entries for
>the best possible outcome "Apex-Out" everything turned around for me,
>especially at the short tracks where I really had a lot of trouble. How
>well I can apply this to Road Courses is yet to be seen, but I look forward
>to it.

>So hang in there. It will eventually come to you. Hell, I may have even
>just given you your secret as well :)

I dunno. I still have people gaining(and passing) going into the corner.
Seems like I'm already going slow on corner entry. If I go slower into the
corners, I just...get slower. I still can't get back on the gas any earlier.
I'm not sure why. If I do, I'll push into the outside wall. I don't know if
I'm just not seeing the track correctly, or not knowing what the car is going
to do. Whatever it is, it's damn frustrating to watch everyone disappear into
the distance and not be able to do a flippin' thing about it...

Eldred
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by **Brian Oste** » Tue, 06 May 2003 14:09:13

On Sun, 4 May 2003 20:56:00 +0200, "Ed Solheim"

>That should have been my race I think - or atleast that what I like to
>think :-)
>Like you said... it's just one of 'em racing deals.. I wanted to give Larry
>his lap back as soon as possible 'cause the last thing I wanted was to be
>rear-ended into a corner (no pun Larry)... I figured the best way was just
>to let him go early on and then stick to his bumber until the next yellow
>came out.. I figured I had a fast enough car to keep both you and Neil
>behind me so to me it would have benn one less thing to worry about..

>Anyways, what actually happend was that, as I was letting Larry go passed I
>went soo high up the track that I touched the wall. I wanted to get out of
>that asap so it wouldnt cut my speed down... Unfortunatly, you had followed
>me up the banking and, as I was coming down again - you were right beside me
>and we touched. :-(
>And then as I was coming to a halt beside the outside wall - Grub hit me
>head on at full speed - sending me flying down the track and killing my
>engine - my race was done.

You were the fastest which is why I wondered why you were letting
Larry by. If I know I am the faster car I will race a lapper pretty
hard to keep him behind me because if I let him by he will just hold
me up and I'll have too pass him back. Now if the yellow comes out
and the lapper is in touch I may pull over and let him go. Although, I
guess if he was banging on your bumper pretty hard I can see why you
let him go, he was pretty strong and at that point he was probably
pushing it as hard as he could. Anyway, when you pulled over to let
Larry by I figured as long as you were opening the door...

One thing I wish Papy would have fixed was the physics model for
"casual contact". You should be able to bang doors without the car
getting so out of shape. We barely touched and yet your car took off
like it had been shot with a cannon. I actually didn't even feel
anything, but I knew what had happened.

Brian Oster

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