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I know either will do a heck of a lot better than my AMDK6-233, but I'd like
the best possible performance for my $.  Opinions please.  Thanks in
advance,
David

I would buy the Celeron 466, and a Voodoo3-2000.

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Hello David.

I would go with the Celeron.  More RAM ( 128 vs 64 ) will will only provide
you with longer replays.

Also, if you get an ABIT motherboard with "softmenu" (BH-6, BX-6-2), you'll
be able to overclock a Celeron much easier that a P-II.

Robert
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First, the Abit makes it equally simple to overclock a P2.

Second, I've found that the new Celerons are not as overclockable as the
original C300A.

Third, the overclockability of any CPU is very dependant on what kind of
memory you're running, and when you bought the CPU.

I'm running four P2 systems (all of which are running Abit BX6/2
motherboards) here.

  1) P2/450, PC100 RAM  - overclocked to 504

  2) P2/333, PC66 RAM   - overclocked to 375
     (with PC100 RAM - o/c to 415)

  3) Cel/333, PC66 RAM  - overclocked to 375

  4) Cel/333, PC100 RAM - overclocked to 416

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I have a PIII 450/BX6r2/CAS2 PC100 combo and have successfully oc'd it to
558mhz(too chicken to try 600<G>). Since its enough CPU for now with out oc
I changed it back to normal.

Scottie

There is little performance difference between the PII 450 and the celeron
466.
Keep in mind though, that if you get a PIII 450, you'll be able to upgrade
to the PIII 600 when they come out, or at some point later when you need the
extra power (Nascar with the GPL engine).
The upgrade path for the celeron is not so clear.
The Celeron would be cheaper though.

From what I've heard, the 600+ MHz chips have been delayed by as much as a
year (at max i hope :)

Whatever chip you go with, get an Abit BH6 or BX6/2 motherboard.  It's
actually a better (more stable!) motherboard than my Asus P2B (PII 350,
3.5x133 BH6 vs 300a, 4.5x100 P2B) and FAR easier to overclock.

You could actually build a GPL-ready computer for cheap if that's all you
want to do...
450+ MHz processor, doesn't matter if it's overclocked to that speed
64 MB RAM
Decent drives
Stealth II S220 (dirt cheap, only 4MB RAM, but with the above processor, GPL
will to 36 constant in 640X480 with all AI and details!)

I imagine the reason faster Celerons are harder to o/c is because I would
bet that the core they use (300a and up, PII 350 and up, all more or less
the same) has its upper limit around 466-500 MHz.  I would bet that most
overclocked Celerons and PII's fit in at 466 or less MHz.  Hence, they were
kind of forced to go to the PIII for 500+ MHz, because if they kept using
the same core, they'd be tossing a whole lot of them out to the lower-speeds
trying to get enough to run 500 at 2.0 volts reliably.

Um, no.  The .18 micron P3s have been pushed back about a month or so, but a
P3-600 running at 100mhz (the .18 micron will run at 133mhz FSB) FSB will be
on the market about the same time as the P3s would have come out.  Check out
www.sharkyextreme.com, I know they have a discussino of the Intel road
map....www.anandtech.com might have one too and so might other sites.

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I'd just about bet ya all 600 mhz chips will require a new motherboard.
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I doubt it, the PIII 600 (on the 100MHz FSB) is just a .25 micron PIII,
simular to what is on the market now (execpt 50 MHz faster).

processor speeds a Celeron would give as

appeared to be EXACTLY the same on both chips. The advantage the P111 has is
that it can be o'clocked further. Mine runs perfectly at 558 (124x4.5) on
PC100 ram. Also the new instruction set on the P111 COULD give you more time
before another upgrade is needed.
In short get a Celeron if money's tight, get  a P111 if you want to o'clock
further - forget the P11 !!
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