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Squash Balls and wheels.

Morgan Boo

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Morgan Boo » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:20:58

Q: Do people really use squash balls with their wheels ?

I have seen this mentioned and haven't really taken it seriously until now.

I was clearing out my loft and came across my old squash equipment,including
a few old balls.

I thought i would quell my curiosity and check it out.

Well now i have severe doubts,because when i placed the ball behind the
brake pedal of my Microsoft Sidewinder FF i then couldn't press the pedal
down fully and it was a real chore getting ANY movement.

So i remembered HALF a squash ball being mentioned...tried it...still felt
awful.

So...was it just an in joke i missed the point of or has anyone actually got
an improvement out of this little tip...?

Thanks

Morg

ikste

Squash Balls and wheels.

by ikste » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:14:10


Like a real brake pedal?  The day I can get the brake pedal in my z down to the
floor is a day too late to save my arse, and probably a six months too late to
be checking fluid lines.

Brakes are meant to be activated by pressure on the pedal as opposed to
movement - remember you are squeezing pads against moving discs, not pulling a
throttle linkage like with the accelerator.

I think this would depend on your pedals/amount of travel.

I've been using it, but with LWFF instead of the microsoft wheel so I can't
comment on that  (I also did some creative cutting to keep it attached so again
YMMV).  It depends a bit on the game (some games have poor calibration) but I
found if I calibrated max braking force to be equal to a damn good press on the
pedal then it definately improved feel and improved laptimes (after practice).

iksteh

Xavie

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Xavie » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:17:49


I use the two halves of a squash ball (one on the top of the other) squeezed
under my brake pedal (MSFF).  Works quite well for GPL, N4.  I am not sure
that this improves lap times that much (it is more difficult to lock the
wheels but at the expense of some sensitivity), but a stiffer brake pedal
just feels more realistic to me.  A couple of laps at the Ring are necessary
to get accustomed to it.

Xavier.

PS. You can also search groups.google.com for "squash ball gpl pedal".
Please ignore the 6-months old post suggesting that squeezing a young kitten
under the brake pedal improves your lap times: it does not work that well
because of the distracting squealing sounds.

Ice

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Ice » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:15:09


> Q: Do people really use squash balls with their wheels ?

> I have seen this mentioned and haven't really taken it seriously until
now.

> I was clearing out my loft and came across my old squash
equipment,including
> a few old balls.

> I thought i would quell my curiosity and check it out.

> Well now i have severe doubts,because when i placed the ball behind the
> brake pedal of my Microsoft Sidewinder FF i then couldn't press the pedal
> down fully and it was a real chore getting ANY movement.

> So i remembered HALF a squash ball being mentioned...tried it...still felt
> awful.

You are using your foot, right? I remember pushing it with my hand a couple
of times, right after installing the ball. It seemed impossible.

I use a squash ball with my MOMO wheel. It replaces the spring for the brake
pedal, I don't know if that's possible with the MS wheel. When I had just
installed the ball, I thought it was far too stiff, I guess I didn't expect
that. I couldn't even push the pedal all the way down. But later on I
realized this was not necessarily a bad thing: you calibrate the pedal, so
that 100% braking requires you to push the pedal as far as you want (for
comfort), with some travel to spare. The last bit of travel isn't used, but
it's not really needed. The two biggest advantages (imho):

1. I can now rest my foot on the brake pedal, without accidentally pushing
it.
2. You have to push hard, in order to brake hard (feels more realistic).

Ice D

Andre Warrin

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Andre Warrin » Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:12:39


>1. I can now rest my foot on the brake pedal, without accidentally pushing
>it.

Uhm - are you very sure of that? I have momo/squashball too, but I
certainly don't let my foot rest on the brake pedal.. unless you have
a big deadzone, you will break a tiny bit when you rest your foot on
the pedal.. you better check out some replays to see if you gain
maximum speed on a straight when you rest your foot on the brake..

Andre

Ice

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Ice » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:05:46



> >1. I can now rest my foot on the brake pedal, without accidentally
pushing
> >it.

> Uhm - are you very sure of that? I have momo/squashball too, but I
> certainly don't let my foot rest on the brake pedal.. unless you have
> a big deadzone, you will break a tiny bit when you rest your foot on
> the pedal.. you better check out some replays to see if you gain
> maximum speed on a straight when you rest your foot on the brake..

I'll check that out, and get back to it in this thread (probably tomorrow).

Ice D

Ice

Squash Balls and wheels.

by Ice » Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:29:25



> > >1. I can now rest my foot on the brake pedal, without accidentally
> > > pushing it.
> > Uhm - are you very sure of that? I have momo/squashball too, but I
> > certainly don't let my foot rest on the brake pedal.. unless you have
> > a big deadzone, you will break a tiny bit when you rest your foot on
> > the pedal.. you better check out some replays to see if you gain
> > maximum speed on a straight when you rest your foot on the brake..

> I'll check that out, and get back to it in this thread (probably

tomorrow).

I just checked, and it doesn't seem to be a problem as long as I keep the
weight of my left foot. Maybe not 100% comfortable, but at least my foot
touches the pedal, which I prefer. It's much stiffer that with the original
spring anyway. I might add that I use a blue squash ball, and it seemed
slightly bigger than other balls I've seen at the store (could be my
imagination...).

Ice D


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