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by **Charles F. Castor Jr** » Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:15:27

Why is it that the setups I get on the web are always so loose? I have
to add a lot of front bias to get around the track.

Thanks
Charlie

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:38:32

"Charles F. Castor Jr." wrote...

All good setups start off loose and "come in" after a couple of laps, but
you might be up against a difference in driving style. Try not taking your
foot off the accellerator and left foot braking to slow for the turns
instead of lifting, especially at the faster tracks.

Jan.
=---

by **Neil Charlto** » Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:14:19

When you download the setup, download a matching replay if you can. One of
Andi Wilke or Achim Trenz would be good. Watch the replay paying particular
attention to gas and brake - all will become clear. This may look a little
more extreme in real life but watching the NASN telemetry of Dale Junior
last year shows him often bablancing his braking with some throttle. In
short, the only way to get round quick in Nascar is to use both feet
simultaneously (I believe). Once you get used to it, the setups fit like a
glove (sometimes).

Have fun :)

by JP » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:37:35

Which of course, is not done in real life, except at the ss tracks. Any
other track would toast the brakes long before the race end.

Charles, gradual actions are the key; easy off the gas, easy on it. If
you "jump" on or off it, problems.

by **Bill Bollinge** » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:02:39

I still say that system differences make up about 90% of the problems
currently. I can trade setups between teammates and a setup can be stable
for me and unctrollable loose for them and vice versa. SMALL changes in the
setups make some big handling changes. That is one nice thing EA Sim-Racing
will fix thank goodness.

Also heard that EA Sim-Racing will get rid of this idea of whomever runs the
loosest setup will be the fastest.

Bill Bollinger
www.gsxn.com

>> "Charles F. Castor Jr." wrote...
>> > Why is it that the setups I get on the web are always
>> > so loose? I have to add a lot of front bias to get
>> > around the track.

>> All good setups start off loose and "come in" after a couple of laps, but
>> you might be up against a difference in driving style. Try not taking
>> your
>> foot off the accellerator and left foot braking to slow for the turns
>> instead of lifting, especially at the faster tracks.

>> Jan.
>> =---

> Which of course, is not done in real life, except at the ss tracks. Any
> other track would toast the brakes long before the race end.

> Charles, gradual actions are the key; easy off the gas, easy on it. If
> you "jump" on or off it, problems.

by JP » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:33:02

Yep, not only controller setup, but pc setup too. Agreed also about
SimRacing. From what I've seen, it also models spins better than 03,
specifically, correctly modeling the way to get out of one (steer opposite
direction, stomp on gas, etc. as done in actual stock car racing vs. the
wacko way 03 handles it).

For that matter, the only thing I'm still worried about is the online
aspect. Having said that, that's the most crucial part imo.

> I still say that system differences make up about 90% of the problems
> currently. I can trade setups between teammates and a setup can be stable
> for me and unctrollable loose for them and vice versa. SMALL changes in
the
> setups make some big handling changes. That is one nice thing EA
Sim-Racing
> will fix thank goodness.

> Also heard that EA Sim-Racing will get rid of this idea of whomever runs
the
> loosest setup will be the fastest.

> Bill Bollinger
> www.gsxn.com

> >> "Charles F. Castor Jr." wrote...
> >> > Why is it that the setups I get on the web are always
> >> > so loose? I have to add a lot of front bias to get
> >> > around the track.

> >> All good setups start off loose and "come in" after a couple of laps,
but
> >> you might be up against a difference in driving style. Try not taking
> >> your
> >> foot off the accellerator and left foot braking to slow for the turns
> >> instead of lifting, especially at the faster tracks.

> >> Jan.
> >> =---

> > Which of course, is not done in real life, except at the ss tracks.
Any
> > other track would toast the brakes long before the race end.

> > Charles, gradual actions are the key; easy off the gas, easy on it. If
> > you "jump" on or off it, problems.

by **Tony Rickar** » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:16:45

> > All good setups start off loose and "come in" after a couple of laps,
but
> > you might be up against a difference in driving style. Try not taking
your
> > foot off the accellerator and left foot braking to slow for the turns
> > instead of lifting, especially at the faster tracks.

> > Jan.
> > =---

> Which of course, is not done in real life, except at the ss tracks. Any
> other track would toast the brakes long before the race end.

You may be right, but think of the abuse 4WD & FWD rally cars brakes must
have with much greater requirements for decelerating than Nascar even
allowing for the shorter distance.

Even comparing it with road courses where 100+ mph are taken off at some
tight corners it would seem not inappropriate to use the brake instead of
lifting.

As I know *** all about Nascar rules on brakes I could be talking rubbish
of course...

Cheers
Tony

by JP » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:28:10

> > > All good setups start off loose and "come in" after a couple of laps,
> but
> > > you might be up against a difference in driving style. Try not taking
> your
> > > foot off the accellerator and left foot braking to slow for the turns
> > > instead of lifting, especially at the faster tracks.

> > > Jan.
> > > =---

> > Which of course, is not done in real life, except at the ss tracks.
Any
> > other track would toast the brakes long before the race end.

> You may be right, but think of the abuse 4WD & FWD rally cars brakes must
> have with much greater requirements for decelerating than Nascar even
> allowing for the shorter distance.

> Even comparing it with road courses where 100+ mph are taken off at some
> tight corners it would seem not inappropriate to use the brake instead of
> lifting.

> As I know *** all about Nascar rules on brakes I could be talking
rubbish
> of course...

> Cheers
> Tony

True, but you're talking about completely different vehicles; besides
being much lighter than say, a WC stock car, they have completely different
powertrains. I.e., 4wd/fwd vs rear wheel drive stock cars, along with
different brake component materials. Among other things.

On a non-ss oval, lift/brake is the norm. Left foot braking is done, but
there's still lifting too. On SS tracks, they don't lift, even when they
*ride the brake.* But then, their top rpms are about 1/3 less or more than
normal too, among other things.

by **ymenar** » Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:06:01

>I still say that system differences make up about 90% of the problems
>currently. I can trade setups between teammates and a setup can be stable
>for me and unctrollable loose for them and vice versa. SMALL changes in
>the setups make some big handling changes. That is one nice thing EA
>Sim-Racing will fix thank goodness.

Why do you trust them to do so ?

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Pete** » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:24:17

Bill, its funny I have been saying this since N1 and no one believed me.
One of the cheats
(so called) on Hawaii and TEN was to run the slowest system you could get to
run the game and
then play with the timing settings for the MB in the bios and you could run
a setup so loose no
one could touch you. Papyrus refused to acknowledge it publically but they
told me privately if
I changed the timing settings on the MB I was cheating. We also found the
guys running in Europe
with the different voltages than we have in North America also had an unfair
advantage with the
setups being run were much looser(affected the timing). Pekka and Jure
weren't as fast as people
thought. :-)
All Papy sims had a timing issue with them. Change the timing change the
setup.

Pete

by **ymenar** » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:40:36

> All Papy sims had a timing issue with them. Change the timing change
> the
> setup.

What makes you think it would be better with that EA thingy? Has EA even
proven anything about such things?

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by JP » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:06:57

> > All Papy sims had a timing issue with them. Change the timing change
> > the
> > setup.

> What makes you think it would be better with that EA thingy? Has EA even
> proven anything about such things?

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Fanboy Alert !

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by **Pete** » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:08:40

I haven't looked at any of the EA sims but if I understand what Bill is
saying Papy was doing their timing different to other software companies
and it shouldn't be an issue with EA. If you remember when processors went
faster than a certain speed with GPL a patch was issued to deal with it.
Clock
timing was the issue.
Bethesda when it did its Drag Racing series also got into timing issues
and they changed the way their timing was done to correct it.
Papy would have had to have gutted their whole game engine in order
to fix the issue, so they decided the problem didn't officially exist.
It's been awhile so all of the details I once knew are lost into the
ether.
But for those of you who have been around awhile you will remember the
controversy that exploded when Julian Data of BHMS hinted about the
grey areas of the original Nascar from Papyrus. Well this was one of those
grey areas.

Pete

by **ymenar** » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:00:30

>> What makes you think it would be better with that EA thingy? Has EA even
>> proven anything about such things?

> Fanboy Alert !

No, just an sceptical feeling, especially considering the entire history of
EA Nascar "simulations". They have proven only one thing, it's that their
entire Nascar racing line has been arcade games with little attemps to
simulate anything. Of course this time, the chances are better then ever
that history will not repeat itself, but anyway what makes you think that
such attemps to push the limit of software won't happen in EA? Nothing.

<yawn> Anyway you have no knowledge of this NG history

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:03:36

All companies do all their things different. Is there anything concrete
here about EA, or it's just a wishfull hope? There's going to be the SAME
attemps to cheating in any kind of software, just in a different way. So I
don't see how it's "positive". EA has never been into anti-cheating stuff
anway. They are almost the WORST offenders in that case. People try to
find faults in their software forever. Just look at their entire sporting
line, per example Madden where everybody just plays in the "grey zone" and
EA does nothing to fix it.

The "Grey zone" will always be there.

And no, Julian is no "god" or anything for saying about grey areas.
Everybody knew about it, he wasn't the first at all to talk abou tit. We
ain't stupid people.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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