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> Marc Collins

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> Definitely not a stock car set up wiz, but some things that seem to help
for
> me, especially at short tracks and roadies:

> Front springs around 600
> Rear springs around 300 - 400
> As much tape as you can possibly get away with
> Max rear spoiler
> Increase rear ARB until you get a roll couple of around 80%
> Front toe-out around 0.125 - 0.175
> Drop the track bar all the way down
> Front dampers no more than one click higher than the rear
> Brake bias ~60%
> Use as little wedge and front weight as you can get away with.  Some of
the
> short track setups included with the game actually use negative wedge,
> although I don't recall which ones.

> Like I said, I'm no expert at this but to me the primary problem with the
> fast and Jasper setups is that they are often what DW (I think) once
called
> "pushy loose", meaning they are so tight on entry that you have to crank
in
> too much steering lock, and then you can't get the lock out fast enough on
> exit, which makes them feel loose even though they aren't.  Doesn't seem
to
> be a problem on the speedways so much, but on short tracks I have a very
> difficult time getting the car down onto the apron with the default
> settings.  So I work on getting the car a little looser (although 80% roll
> couple is still not truly loose if you're smooth with the controls), then
> adjust the toe and the track bar a bit to keep it under control.  Also I
> think you want to use the lowest spring rates you can possibly get away
with
> in order to drop the car down and get more downforce.  I guess that is
> always true, but with regards to short tracks it seems like anything over
> 600 front / 400 rear causes a distinct loss of downforce.

> I am faster with these settings than with the fast setups, but admittedly
> still a bit off the pace.  Hopefully somebody with more experience than me
> will add to or correct what I have just said.

> > I can do top 5's at Bristol; top 5's at Las Vegas; squat at
Martinsville.
> > It's either the set-up or the AI is calibrated so badly (fast) there
that
> > there is no hope.  What can you all do?

> > Marc

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> > Marc Collins

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> I have been setting the AI to auto and it typically ends up around 90% on
> ovals and 100% on roadies.  I suspect that in both cases that is a little
> off the pace compared to what people are running on line.  Hey, I didn't
say
> I was fast, I just said that stuff works better for me than the fast or
> jasper setups do.  ;o)

> > So where are you against the AI at 100%?

> > Marc

>There are many set-up philosophies out there.  I hope yours works for you.
>All I care about is one that can do better than 43rd at Marty against 100%
>AI.  Reading between the lines, I am suggesting there isn't one or it will
>be exceedingly rare.  This is likely because the AI at Marty are "too fast"
>because they have too much grip, which allows them to carry more speed
>through the corner and get a better launch coming out of the corner.

> >There are many set-up philosophies out there.  I hope yours works for
you.
> >All I care about is one that can do better than 43rd at Marty against
100%
> >AI.  Reading between the lines, I am suggesting there isn't one or it
will
> >be exceedingly rare.  This is likely because the AI at Marty are "too
fast"
> >because they have too much grip, which allows them to carry more speed
> >through the corner and get a better launch coming out of the corner.

> I just tried it out of curiousity.  42 AI cars, I could only run a 21.544
with
> the fast setup - good for 43rd place.  42nd place was either 21.0 or 21.1
> something.  We were the only two cars atr 21 seconds or slower.  I just
can't
> get the car to turn in the middle of the corner - very frustrating.
> I'm not looking forward to next week's race...

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> FWIW I was able to run a 21.3 with the fast setup in a test session (after
> about 200 laps of trying).  If I can do it, somebody with more "sperence"
> can surely run a mid 20 and I'm sure with a good setup 19 is within reach.
> What worked for me was to diamond the corner (double apex if you're a
> roadie).  It worked almost as well to run a late apex line.  Anything you
> can do to straighten out the exit will buy you a significant amount of
> speed.  I also saw some footage from last year's race on TV tonight, and
it
> looked like that's what most of them were doing, going about half a lane
> wide in the middle and then straightening out the exit.  Not sure what it
> takes to hug the curb, probably a whole lot of front toe out and a high
> track bar, but I wasn't able to get it to work.

> Also, I know this will raise some eyebrows, but I couldn't even find the
> right line until I temporarily switched to the bumper cam.  I would never
> race this way, but there is no better view if you really want to see where
> your car is relative to the track surface.  I seriously suggest trying a
few
> laps this way, because it is almost impossible to read the banking at
> Martinsville from the***pit view.  From the bumper cam the banking is
easy
> to see and it is very obvious where you need to put the car.  Once you
> figure out where you need to be, you can go back to the***pit view and
> nobody will know the difference.  I promise I won't tell anyone.  ;o)

> > With the fast setup, I am only at 21.5xx myself. I watched the AI from
> > the chase mode to see what line they are running. They come into the
> > corner late, but hit the apex perfect and hold the curb all the way
> > through. Now granted, my line is not perfect all of the time, but the
> > AI do have way too much grip. They hold their speeds through the
> > corners in the mid 60's and up to 120 at the end of the straight.
> > (20.8xx lap times, and I think I saw a 20.2xx) On my best lap, I think
> > I only hit 63 in the corners and 116 at the end of the straight. If we
> > are all on the same page next weekend, it won't much matter, but I'm
> > sure Pete Reston and T White, amongst others, will be hitting close to
> > these AI speeds. I can actually get around the track now without
> > spinning out, but I'm sure someone will help me with that next
> > Saturday. Don't hit that brake too far into the corner...let the speed
> > scrub off. Hit the apex in the corner right, and you can gas it down
> > the straight. If you miss the apex, you are looking at about 110 down
> > the straight, and a nice leisurely lap time of about 22.xxx. I ran in
> > traffic with the AI, and I have to really push it just to keep up with
> > the last car. Of course, bumping them into the wall is a good last
> > resort for passing ;) By the way, I've programmed all of my chat
> > buttons to say...."pass me low"

> > See you on pit road. I'll be the one without a front and rear end.

> > By the way, I know this isn't the right thread, but John, I wish I was
> > around at Tally long enough to have a sweaty grip.

Moyer) writes:

>>I just tried it out of curiousity.  42 AI cars, I could only run a 21.544
>with
>>the fast setup - good for 43rd place.  42nd place was either 21.0 or 21.1
>>something.  We were the only two cars atr 21 seconds or slower.  I just
>can't
>>get the car to turn in the middle of the corner - very frustrating.
>>I'm not looking forward to next week's race...

>Is this qualifying or the race?

>At Marty I find the cars a bit too fast in qual (I can do a 20.8 with
>the default qual setup but that's still in the high 20's) but during
>the race I can stay in the pack and slowly pick off cars by putting it
>in cruise control.