rec.autos.simulators

by **tegelen2..** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 05:12:54

I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite
race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks
now. Framerates
are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram.
The***pit view is very hard to drive , the handling is
very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks
i went back to Nascar Heat and this game
(with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look
better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system
are very high, only
the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with
other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you
will see that it is a better game than papys N4.

RD

by **Jerry Jona** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 05:51:33

I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus
is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing
Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present.

by PG » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 08:35:50

Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a little.
Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over
stated.
Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out of
the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching back
at least.
It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little
nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............
I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI)

by **Joel A. Willstei** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:05:40

I've just done the samething and switched back to Nascar Heat from
Nascar 4. I'm still finding it hard to believe that will all the
additional time Papyrus took with Nascar 4, that it's still so damn buggy,
as my system locks up nearly half of the time. But my biggest complaint is
the crappy AIs. They just don't have the faintest clue where you are. If
you're unlucky enough to be on the inside line while any AI is following
another car into a corner, they continually hit you in the right rear
spinning you out.

What's the point of a great physics engine, if you can't finish a race.

For me, Nascar Heat was fun, while Nascar 4 has been nothing but
fustration.

Joel Willstein

by **Tim** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:08:41

Ive done the same thing
Graphics, cars, are better in Heat
Sound is better in N4
N4 does take more tweaking to get decent framerates but its there

As for driving in traffic, you can set up a fast car in N4 that will let you
pound that AI into submission
Papy just didnt hand them over like Hasbro did

Im a big graphics fan, and every time I run Heat I get sick at the idea of
running 256x512 paint schemes in N4 and those GPL car shapes (no front end
and all ass)
But N4 is clearly going to outlast Heat so Im pretty much resigned to
running N4

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:41:54

Nascar Heat is really really Lacking in race-craft. The strategy of oval
racing is
almost not present. This is where N4 has a huge advantage. The black
flags, the
stopping work in the pits so you can beat the pace car out of the pits,
stuff like that.
Both have very serious physics engines...N4 is a little suspect between car
to car contact
and Heat is a little over-generous in what you can get away with. With the
exception
of the upcomming F1RC, Heat my have the fastest best looking graphics when
you
can run all the details of just about any sim. N4 has some AI problems, so
does Heat.
It may be a common problem due to the tremendous amount of physics
calculations that
each sim must do. and N4 blows all other sims away for multiplayer
experience.
I don't think you will see improvements in Heat's Racing features until
the next
installment. The upcomming patch should improve what they have now and
hopefully
clean up the AI and flag problems.
dave henrie

by **fistyc..** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 09:52:57

well i have all the same sims i would have to say you hit the nail on
the head for sure

>I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite
>race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks
>now. Framerates
>are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram.
>The***pit view is very hard to drive , the handling is
>very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks
>i went back to Nascar Heat and this game
>(with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look
>better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system
>are very high, only
>the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with
>other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you
>will see that it is a better game than papys N4.

>RD

by **ymenar** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:42:08

> The***pit view is very hard to drive ,

But it's more realistic.

No, it's more realistic.

That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing
simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension,
practice, frustrations...

Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 10:46:20

Judging from the demo alone, I didn't find N4 difficult, frustrating, fun,
or very realistic.

David G Fisher

> That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing
> simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension,
> practice, frustrations...

> > the sound is also much better.

> Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;)

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
> hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Don Burnett** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:10:03

What else would you expect from a self proclaimed "no fan of Nascar" ??
I don't particular care for hockey, so I sure ain't going to waste my time
buying a hockey sim, or even downloading the demo. And I sure as heck
wouldn't and then go and bash it on a hockey forum when I could care less
about it.

--
Don Burnette
D Burnette in N4

Some people do nothing wrong.
The problem is, they do nothing.
And THAT is wrong.

> Judging from the demo alone, I didn't find N4 difficult, frustrating, fun,
> or very realistic.

> David G Fisher

> > That's the key. Whatever please you, but N4 is a superior racing
> > simulation. Racing is not always "fun". It's hard-work, comprehension,
> > practice, frustrations...

> > > the sound is also much better.

> > Errrr, sure if you like Amiga-type sounds ;)

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- May the Downforce be with you...
> > -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise
how
> > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Jerry Jona** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:45:10

Sums up my feelings exactly,..... uhm ............towards Nascar Heat !

by **Jerry Jona** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:51:40

N4 wins on my system

toss-up....... "Thats your best lap everrrrrrrrr ! ......over and over.

I get better in N4 with W2K then NH so for me this
holds untrue.Crashs alot with NH.

True, I wish the shape was a little different maybe a third party 3do patch.

by **Razorbac** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:32:06

Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar
racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim
nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have
never done the real thing. :)

RB

>Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a little.
>Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over
>stated.
>Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out of
>the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching back
>at least.
>It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little
>nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............
>I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI)

>> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus
>> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing
>> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present.

by **Gregor Vebl** » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:14:47

Just curious, is it possible to alter the differential setting in Nascar
Heat in the full version? Both the demos of N4 and NH that I have have
no option to do this, but I hear the full version of N4 does have it.

Why I am asking is because I found the driving experience to be very
good in NH, but the differential setting is unforgiving (it seems to be
practically locked). It's great for drivers who don't like to set up
their cars, as the setting as it is leads to severe understeer in on the
limit situations and as such guarantees spin stability, but if you try
to compensate for the understeer by increasing the rear roll stiffness,
you'll end up with a car that just snaps into a spin, because a large
part of the force in the fricition circle has already been used to
oppose the difference in velocity of the rear wheels in a turn. If the
full version is like that, it sure must be frustrating.

-Gregor

> I have always been a Papy fan, GPL is still my favourite
> race sim and i own all the Nascar games. I tried Nascar 4 for some weeks
> now. Framerates
> are not great on my PIII 900, geforce mx, 128mb ram.
> The***pit view is very hard to drive , the handling is
> very difficult, i think it is not realistic. After playing n4 for some weeks
> i went back to Nascar Heat and this game
> (with the patch) is much better ; it is much more fun to play, cars look
> better than in N4 and the sound is also much better. Framerates on my system
> are very high, only
> the crashes are not that great. In this game you can drive side by side with
> other cars without crashing. Try it, give Nascar Heat another change and you
> will see that it is a better game than papys N4.

> RD

by PG » Tue, 06 Mar 2001 20:02:26

Money talks........think about it.......You think he said that for nothing?
Don't be naive!

> Well, Little E said Nascar 4 was the closest thing to real Nascar
> racing (and he should know being both a Nascar driver and a racing sim
> nut). I think I will go with his position over any of those who have
> never done the real thing. :)

> RB

> >Not sure which game is better, but I know the AI in N-4 is whacked a
little.
> >Also, I think that the reaction to a little bumbing or grinding is over
> >stated.
> >Going into a corner and getting a little nudge from someone puts you out
of
> >the race 9 times outta 10......so far back you've no hope of catching
back
> >at least.
> >It's not much fun working your way up the pack only to receive a little
> >nudge on your fender that causes you to spin out............
> >I hope the patch(if there's one, will fix the AI)

> >> I tried Nascar Heat and feel Nascar 4 by Papyrus
> >> is far superior in all aspects of true Nascar Racing
> >> Simulation. It is truly the King of Nascar games at present.

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