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Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

Graeme Nas

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Graeme Nas » Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I know it's been asked many times before but please Papy, give us the
banking! I just watched GP the movie's Monza bit and, damn I want to
race up there!

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash


http://www.racesimcentral.net/
ICQ# 11257824

1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Wosc

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Wosc » Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:00:00

It is a good idea but I have to say it, go get nascar, hehe, if you really
want to drive on banking that bad, get nascar.
Jesse

>I know it's been asked many times before but please Papy, give us the
>banking! I just watched GP the movie's Monza bit and, damn I want to
>race up there!

>--
>Cheers!
>Graeme Nash


>http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
>ICQ# 11257824

>1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Graeme Nas

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Graeme Nas » Wed, 10 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Hehe, I've got it, have no fear!

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash


http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
ICQ# 11257824

1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

Micha

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Micha » Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:00:00


says...

No - that's not the same at all! We want to drive on the banking *and* on
the road course section - in the same race!

It would be great fun in online races - especially the bit where you come
off the Parabolica and you'd be heading down the straight *parallel* to
all the cars coming off the banking heading for Curva Grande.

Imagine the warping! Imagine the pileups!

- Michael

Tim Leighto

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Tim Leighto » Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Who was it Bruce?
Tim

>GPL is representative of the 1967 season and is, with the exception that
>Rouen is included in lieu of Le Mans-Bugatti, an historically-accurate
>representation.

>The banking was NOT used for F1 cars beyond the 1.5 litre era.
>Therefore, to include same in a simulation that does not include a "car
>set" of 1.5 litre appearance and performance would reduce the intrinsic
>historical value of GPL.

>Do you realise that this simulation has been referred to by one notable
>ex-F1 driver/television commentator (no, not in the USA)as the most
>entertaining history lesson that he's ever seen? Of course, he was
>somewhat biased in that he hated school in the first place!
>Anyway, that is sufficient reason in my book to leave GPL as is and, if
>Papyrus wish to do anything, simply release new products based on what
>they have created with GPL.


>> I know it's been asked many times before but please Papy, give us the
>> banking! I just watched GP the movie's Monza bit and, damn I want to
>> race up there!

>> --
>> Cheers!
>> Graeme Nash


>> http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
>> ICQ# 11257824

>> 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

>--
>Regards,
>Bruce.
>----------
>HMRC Web site address is:-
>http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
>----------

Paul Jone

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Paul Jone » Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:00:00


> Anyway, that is sufficient reason in my book to leave GPL as is and, if
> Papyrus wish to do anything, simply release new products based on what
> they have created with GPL.

Absolutely, and put the banked oval for a 50's season. Then it would be
historically accurate and we could have some of those beautiful cars from
the period and Fangio would be the guy up front. To get the embedded oval at
Monza, it would have to be '55, '56, '60 or '61. I guess 1956 would get my
vote provided then modelled the non-championship GPs, mmm Brands Hatch,
though '57 with the Pescara circuit even longer the Ring would be good too,
but no oval at Monza that year.

Look at these seasons:

1953: (Ascari's 2nd great year - Fangio was 2nd): Buenos Aires, Indianapolis
(yes an oval), Zandvoort, Spa (essentially the same as '67), Rheims
(reputedly one of the greatest Grand Prix races ever), Silverstone,
Nurburgring (slightly different to '67, but essentially the same),
Bremgarten, Monza (Short but Parabolica replaced by 2 tightly linked corners
called Verdano). Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau, Bordeaux, Chimay, Albi and
Modena didn't count towards championship
1954 (Fangio begins to dominate): Buenos Aires, Indianapolis, Spa, Rheims,
Silverstone, Nurburgring, Bremgarten, Monza (Short with Verdano), Pedralbes.
Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau, Bari, Rome, Chimay, Roen, Caen, Pescara, Cadours
and Avus (the dog bone with only 2-corners) didn't count towards
championship
1955: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Spa, Zandvoort, Aintree, Monza
(with the oval). Other GPs at Turin, Pau, Bordeaux, Naples, Albi and
Syracuse didn't count towards championship.
1956: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Spa, Rheims, Silverstone,
Nurburgring, Monza (with the oval). Other GPs at Mendoza, Syracuse, Naples,
Caen and Brands Hatch didn't count towards championship.
1957: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Rouen (the same circuit as '67),
Aintree, Nurburgring, Pescara (even longer than Nurburgring pole position
9:44.6 by Fangio), Monza (without the oval). Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau,
Naples, Rheims, Caen, Modena and Morocco didn't count towards championship.
1958 (no Fangio): Buenos Aires, Monaco, Zandvoort, Indianapolis, Spa,
Rheims, Silverstone, Nurburgring, Porto, Monza (without the oval), Morocco.
Other GPs at  Syracuse and Caen didn't count towards championship.

Cheers,
Paul

Tim Leighto

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Tim Leighto » Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Sorry, I forgot to edit your message. I meant who is this F1
Driver/Commentator, and where can I read his comments?
Thanks
Tim

>Do you realise that this simulation has been referred to by one notable
>ex-F1 driver/television commentator (no, not in the USA)as the most
>entertaining history lesson that he's ever seen? Of course, he was
>somewhat biased in that he hated school in the first place!

schwab

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by schwab » Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Hey Bruce....


>snip<
> Do you realise that this simulation has been referred to by one notable
> ex-F1 driver/television commentator (no, not in the USA)as the most
> entertaining history lesson that he's ever seen?

Who said that?? More info, please! :-) Nice to hear "real" drivers are
paying attention to it.

-_Dave

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

Bruce Kennewel

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:00:00

GPL is representative of the 1967 season and is, with the exception that
Rouen is included in lieu of Le Mans-Bugatti, an historically-accurate
representation.

The banking was NOT used for F1 cars beyond the 1.5 litre era.
Therefore, to include same in a simulation that does not include a "car
set" of 1.5 litre appearance and performance would reduce the intrinsic
historical value of GPL.

Do you realise that this simulation has been referred to by one notable
ex-F1 driver/television commentator (no, not in the USA)as the most
entertaining history lesson that he's ever seen? Of course, he was
somewhat biased in that he hated school in the first place!
Anyway, that is sufficient reason in my book to leave GPL as is and, if
Papyrus wish to do anything, simply release new products based on what
they have created with GPL.


> I know it's been asked many times before but please Papy, give us the
> banking! I just watched GP the movie's Monza bit and, damn I want to
> race up there!

> --
> Cheers!
> Graeme Nash


> http://www.karisma1.demon.co.uk
> ICQ# 11257824

> 1998 Xoom GP2 League Champion

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
HMRC Web site address is:-
http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
----------
Micha

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Micha » Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:00:00


says...


> > Anyway, that is sufficient reason in my book to leave GPL as is and, if
> > Papyrus wish to do anything, simply release new products based on what
> > they have created with GPL.

> Absolutely, and put the banked oval for a 50's season. Then it would be
> historically accurate and we could have some of those beautiful cars from
> the period and Fangio would be the guy up front. To get the embedded oval at
> Monza, it would have to be '55, '56, '60 or '61. I guess 1956 would get my
> vote provided then modelled the non-championship GPs, mmm Brands Hatch,
> though '57 with the Pescara circuit even longer the Ring would be good too,
> but no oval at Monza that year.

I'd really like to see the late 1930's seasons featuring the battle
between Auto-Union and Mercedes. Fantastic drivers such as Nuvolari,
Carraciola, Lang, Seaman etc. etc.

Those monster Silver Arrows had 500+ bhp and really skinny tires. The
tracks were awesome.

Doing the cars would be fairly easy - modelling the tracks would be the
main effort. As Paul said above, Pescara was longer than the Ring - and
that wasn't the only long track in the calendar.

- Michael

schwab

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by schwab » Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Ah, I think so...

It could be the chap whose car I am so fond of... regardless, nice to
know they *approve* of it...

--Dave


> G'day dave.

> Well, as I've mentioned for Tim, I can't really state the name, for the
> reasons mentioned, but if you put two and two together, take into
> account where I live, then it shouldn't be too difficult to figure it
> out!


> > Who said that?? More info, please! :-) Nice to hear "real" drivers are
> > paying attention to it.

> > -_Dave

> > --
> > Dave Schwabe
> > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

> --
> Regards,
> Bruce.
> ----------
> HMRC Web site address is:-
> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
> ----------

--
Dave Schwabe
The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
http://users.wi.net/~schwabe
Bruce Kennewel

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

That I can't state as it was said in a recent private conversation.
To make mention of the name in a public forum would not be polite and it
may give an impression of endor***t of the product.


> Who was it Bruce?
> Tim

--
Regards,
Bruce.
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HMRC Web site address is:-
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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Bruce Kennewel

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Oh my stars....I'm drooling! :o)
Yes, there is certainly great scope for some fascinating periods to be
modelled by a company such as Papyrus.


> Absolutely, and put the banked oval for a 50's season. Then it would be
> historically accurate and we could have some of those beautiful cars from
> the period and Fangio would be the guy up front. To get the embedded oval at
> Monza, it would have to be '55, '56, '60 or '61. I guess 1956 would get my
> vote provided then modelled the non-championship GPs, mmm Brands Hatch,
> though '57 with the Pescara circuit even longer the Ring would be good too,
> but no oval at Monza that year.

> Look at these seasons:

> 1953: (Ascari's 2nd great year - Fangio was 2nd): Buenos Aires, Indianapolis
> (yes an oval), Zandvoort, Spa (essentially the same as '67), Rheims
> (reputedly one of the greatest Grand Prix races ever), Silverstone,
> Nurburgring (slightly different to '67, but essentially the same),
> Bremgarten, Monza (Short but Parabolica replaced by 2 tightly linked corners
> called Verdano). Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau, Bordeaux, Chimay, Albi and
> Modena didn't count towards championship
> 1954 (Fangio begins to dominate): Buenos Aires, Indianapolis, Spa, Rheims,
> Silverstone, Nurburgring, Bremgarten, Monza (Short with Verdano), Pedralbes.
> Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau, Bari, Rome, Chimay, Roen, Caen, Pescara, Cadours
> and Avus (the dog bone with only 2-corners) didn't count towards
> championship
> 1955: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Spa, Zandvoort, Aintree, Monza
> (with the oval). Other GPs at Turin, Pau, Bordeaux, Naples, Albi and
> Syracuse didn't count towards championship.
> 1956: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Spa, Rheims, Silverstone,
> Nurburgring, Monza (with the oval). Other GPs at Mendoza, Syracuse, Naples,
> Caen and Brands Hatch didn't count towards championship.
> 1957: Buenos Aires, Monaco, Indianapolis, Rouen (the same circuit as '67),
> Aintree, Nurburgring, Pescara (even longer than Nurburgring pole position
> 9:44.6 by Fangio), Monza (without the oval). Other GPs at Syracuse, Pau,
> Naples, Rheims, Caen, Modena and Morocco didn't count towards championship.
> 1958 (no Fangio): Buenos Aires, Monaco, Zandvoort, Indianapolis, Spa,
> Rheims, Silverstone, Nurburgring, Porto, Monza (without the oval), Morocco.
> Other GPs at  Syracuse and Caen didn't count towards championship.

> Cheers,
> Paul

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
HMRC Web site address is:-
http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
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Bruce Kennewel

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

See my earlier answer Tim.

I'm sorry...I realise that it sounds like a convenient cop-out but I
really can't say who it was.  As mentioned...it was in private
conversation, not in front of the media.


> Sorry, I forgot to edit your message. I meant who is this F1
> Driver/Commentator, and where can I read his comments?
> Thanks
> Tim

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
HMRC Web site address is:-
http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
----------
Bruce Kennewel

Monza Banking in GPL 1.1 ?

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

G'day dave.

Well, as I've mentioned for Tim, I can't really state the name, for the
reasons mentioned, but if you put two and two together, take into
account where I live, then it shouldn't be too difficult to figure it
out!


> Who said that?? More info, please! :-) Nice to hear "real" drivers are
> paying attention to it.

> -_Dave

> --
> Dave Schwabe
> The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> http://users.wi.net/~schwabe

--
Regards,
Bruce.
----------
HMRC Web site address is:-
http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm
----------

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