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GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

Douglas Elliso

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Douglas Elliso » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole load
of new ones...

NICE ONE

So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

Cheers

Doug
:-)

jb

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by jb » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Certainly not a disappointment to me.  Even better than I had hoped since
the framerate hit was minimal on my P2-300/TNT/192MB/MSFF!

Framerate hit is nowhere as noticable on my system as SCGT's FF.

jb

Mark Stah

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Mark Stah » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

what new problems have you had? i've only seen improvements....

load
of new ones...

NICE ONE

So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

Cheers

Doug
:-)

Paul Jone

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Paul Jone » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Yep, the main thing I wanted to see was improvements to the online connection
problems. I was desperately hoping for a mode where clients wouldn't get
disconnected under any circumstances. That would give us the option to
configure for ourselves a minimum connection level. ADSL is about to be
released nationally in the UK. The likelihood is that British Telecomm will
have a monopoly and that means that ADSL hosts will not be viable in this
country in the way they are in the States and Canada. I believe that UK T1 and
other fast connections give the same grief. If only UK high bandwidth
subscribers could have had some input into the testing process.......
For me this was far and away the most serious problem with 1.0 - many times
more important than all the others put together - but it seems that this has
been addressed only minimally if at all. Yeah the remote server stuff would be
great if online GPL connections didn't have such weak chins. It rather leaves
the UK GPL league without a homegrown host.
So yeah, GPL 1.1 is a big disapointment.....a great sim is still a great sim -
but no better than before unless low-riders used to bug the hell out of you or
you have an FF wheel.
Cheers,
Paul

> It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole load
> of new ones...

> NICE ONE

> So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

> Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

> Cheers

> Doug
> :-)

Mark Seer

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Mark Seer » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Thanks Papy

No lap times recorded in qualifying
Calibration that doesn't as it did
Black flag after every lap in race
The straight at the Ring at about 500mph
Invisible cars for 3/4 of a lap
100 ($160) for a now redundant piece of FF technology.
Six different core ini files tried (Kindly sent from mates on GSB)
Two clean (full) installs
Nine months of addons now added off!
Six months of Beta testing and this is what comes of it
I'm impressed

Thanks Pappy.
GP3 here we come....Maybe one day

GRRRRR

Mark


John Walla

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by John Walla » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Count up how many other people are having the same problems on the
same kit, then ask yourself if it's more likely to be a software
problem or something up with the configuration/installation on your
PC.

Have you tried wiping GPL, reinstalling from fresh and applying the
patch? It seems like either something in your network configuration or
your GPL installation, probably something got messed up with an add-on
or tweak.

Cheers!
John

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:30:17 +0100, "Mark Seery"


>Thanks Papy

>No lap times recorded in qualifying
>Calibration that doesn't as it did
>Black flag after every lap in race
>The straight at the Ring at about 500mph
>Invisible cars for 3/4 of a lap
>100 ($160) for a now redundant piece of FF technology.
>Six different core ini files tried (Kindly sent from mates on GSB)
>Two clean (full) installs
>Nine months of addons now added off!
>Six months of Beta testing and this is what comes of it
>I'm impressed

>Thanks Pappy.
>GP3 here we come....Maybe one day

>GRRRRR

>Mark



>> It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole
>load
>> of new ones...

>> NICE ONE

>> So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

>> Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

>> Cheers

>> Doug
>> :-)

Mark Seer

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Mark Seer » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

It's not a hardware problem. I know that much. As for config, as I said,
I've tried two clean installs now. That is in addition to the original
attempt to copy the exe file to the previous one

Mark

> Count up how many other people are having the same problems on the
> same kit, then ask yourself if it's more likely to be a software
> problem or something up with the configuration/installation on your
> PC.

> Have you tried wiping GPL, reinstalling from fresh and applying the
> patch? It seems like either something in your network configuration or
> your GPL installation, probably something got messed up with an add-on
> or tweak.

> Cheers!
> John

> On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:30:17 +0100, "Mark Seery"

> >Thanks Papy

> >No lap times recorded in qualifying
> >Calibration that doesn't as it did
> >Black flag after every lap in race
> >The straight at the Ring at about 500mph
> >Invisible cars for 3/4 of a lap
> >100 ($160) for a now redundant piece of FF technology.
> >Six different core ini files tried (Kindly sent from mates on GSB)
> >Two clean (full) installs
> >Nine months of addons now added off!
> >Six months of Beta testing and this is what comes of it
> >I'm impressed

> >Thanks Pappy.
> >GP3 here we come....Maybe one day

> >GRRRRR

> >Mark



> >> It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole
> >load
> >> of new ones...

> >> NICE ONE

> >> So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

> >> Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

> >> Cheers

> >> Doug
> >> :-)

Alex Ingra

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Alex Ingra » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00



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Jo

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Jo » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00


>It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole load
>of new ones...

A bit of an exageration to be sure. Most people are singing 1.1's
praises to the heavens.

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don hodgdo

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by don hodgdo » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Same here Mark, the patch rocks! I finally got to bed at 6 AM after spending
all night trying out all the tracks and some off line and online races. Ok,
I did stay up the extra hour for F1 qualifying at 5AM<g>

No slowdowns
No framerate hit
No lost connections
No change in***pits or graphics
Ran GPL Season to restore Honda and Cooper

System,
PII 400
128 RAM
SB Live Value
Maxigamer V2
LWFF Wheel with CH pedals
USB Modem

I can't wait for all the "This patch sux cuz, like, dude, when my cars
sliding upside down I can't feel my helmet hitting the ground."

don

[]-(_)-[]


>what new problems have you had? i've only seen improvements....

>>>It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a whole
>load
>of new ones...

>NICE ONE

>So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

>Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

>Cheers

>Doug
>:-)

Jeff Vince

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Jeff Vince » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:00:19 +0100, "Mark Seery"


>It's not a hardware problem. I know that much. As for config, as I said,
>I've tried two clean installs now. That is in addition to the original
>attempt to copy the exe file to the previous one
>> >No lap times recorded in qualifying
>> >Black flag after every lap in race
>> >The straight at the Ring at about 500mph
>> >Invisible cars for 3/4 of a lap

   Mark, have you tried changing to the old sync method (as described
in the readme)?  That's what it sounds like (combined with a marginal
connection and/or CPU).  Also, take a look at Alison's new GPL 1.1 FAQ
on VROC2 (has some similar info).  Good luck.

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Graeme Nas

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Graeme Nas » Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I've had no troubles so far and am just waiting now to get an FF wheel!

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Ron Ayto

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Ron Ayto » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00



Hi Paul,
I'm with you, on this one...
It seems everyone is over the moon about how good the FF effects are,
but for me, i was hoping for better on-line performances.
FF was never an issue for me, but better on-line play was, and that
seems to have been made worse for anyone with a latency figure in
excess of 400.  :(
I have tried every combination of Core.ini  file that i could attempt
to try with a small group of drivers here in Australia and so far, no
results have been up to the original version of GPL, as far as on-line
performance goes.
I am not talking about frame rate hits etc.  i am talking about,
warping, racing with invisible cars, constant disconnection problems,
black flags, no scoring, frame stuttering, slow downs,  speed ups  etc.
 etc.  etc.
I have yet to find a single person with a marginal latency figure that
is even slightly impressed with the on-line performance of the GPL 1.1
patch.
I am sure you will all say, "Well you should have a low latency", that
is fine for you American sim racers etc. but down here in Australia, a
good latency figure for us is in the region of 450  to 550, when we are
joining races out of Australia.
The point being,  that with the original GPL, it handled the higher
latency figures a lot better than the new version does.
"Yes", i have tried switching back to the original Synch method and
experimenting with all values of the: clock_adj_delay line, and the
best i have found for me is by using the old Synch method, with a delay
of 14 and using the old 3/84, instead of the new default of 2/84.
On another note, i find the steering response delayed now,  almost to
the point of being totally detached from the feeling of being even
slightly in control, all for the sake of having FF implemented.
I do not have a FF wheel, but the steering effects of a non-FF wheel,
now feel totally wrong.  IMO
The brakes and throttle also feel as though they have changed, not for
the better either..
It is now hard to lock up a brake, and the throttle is notchy and not
as linear as it was.  These are all my opinions, and may not be what
others are finding, but for me,  i much prefer the driving model of the
original GPL, and "No", it is not because of the ride height
restriction either, as i never did run LowRider setups anyway..
So, IMO,  the on-line play has took a major nose dive and the physics
feel all wrong, if your not using a FF wheel, if you are using a FF
wheel,  i hope you enjoy the experience,  i didn't...
Cheers,  have fun!!
Ron

Ron Ayto

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Ron Ayto » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I also have these same problems Mark, and i know it isn't hardware
related either, and yes, i do know about computer hardware..
I don't think this patch will  live up to it's on-line hype..
Cheers,
ron



> It's not a hardware problem. I know that much. As for config, as I
said,
> I've tried two clean installs now. That is in addition to the
original
> attempt to copy the exe file to the previous one

> Mark


> > Count up how many other people are having the same problems on the
> > same kit, then ask yourself if it's more likely to be a software
> > problem or something up with the configuration/installation on your
> > PC.

> > Have you tried wiping GPL, reinstalling from fresh and applying the
> > patch? It seems like either something in your network configuration
or
> > your GPL installation, probably something got messed up with an
add-on
> > or tweak.

> > Cheers!
> > John

> > On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:30:17 +0100, "Mark Seery"

> > >Thanks Papy

> > >No lap times recorded in qualifying
> > >Calibration that doesn't as it did
> > >Black flag after every lap in race
> > >The straight at the Ring at about 500mph
> > >Invisible cars for 3/4 of a lap
> > >100 ($160) for a now redundant piece of FF technology.
> > >Six different core ini files tried (Kindly sent from mates on GSB)
> > >Two clean (full) installs
> > >Nine months of addons now added off!
> > >Six months of Beta testing and this is what comes of it
> > >I'm impressed

> > >Thanks Pappy.
> > >GP3 here we come....Maybe one day

> > >GRRRRR

> > >Mark



> > >> It seems that Papy seem to have solved a few problems but made a
whole
> > >load
> > >> of new ones...

> > >> NICE ONE

> > >> So when's the 1.2 patch? Anyone....

> > >> Probably around 2007 going on how long it took to make 1.1

> > >> Cheers

> > >> Doug
> > >> :-)

Michael E. Carve

GPL 1.1 a disapointment then?

by Michael E. Carve » Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:00:00


% I also have these same problems Mark, and i know it isn't hardware
% related either, and yes, i do know about computer hardware..
% I don't think this patch will  live up to it's on-line hype..
% Cheers,
% ron

I have no actual data to support this theory, but that hasn't stopped
anyone in r.a.s. before <G>

I think we have 2 things coming into play here.

1)  Folks who have had marginal connections to their hosts in the past.

2)  Hosts that have been marginal servers (i.e., maxed out CPU, allowing
more clients than their bandwidth can support, etc.).

The combination of the above 2 has caused many folks grief to no end
with the patch.

I also think that once we start using the VROC 2.0 servers for hosting
and connecting, some of the problems being experienced will go away.  As
it is, the majority of races being hosted are through the VROC 1.0
service which doesn't support some of the features included in the GPL
patch.

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