Hear hear, Oh how I concur.....
d:~)
**Peter**
Hear hear, Oh how I concur.....
d:~)
**Peter**
>>>It is the best Formula One racing *sim*, because it's the only one.
>>There have been two 'successors' lately: Power F1 and Psygnosis F1. Both were
>>rumoured to be "GP2-killers".Power F1 turned out to be a JOKE and Psygnosis F1
>>is a great game but simply doesn't compete in the same league as GP2. It looks
>>awesome, but how realistic is it as a simulator?
>Notice that I emphasised the word "sim". Power F1 and Psygnosis F1 are not
>even close to being simulators and in no way "compete" in the same
>category than F1GP2 does.
Agreed. But if you look at what's still left in there, you'll find that it is
brilliant anyway, even with the small bugs and missing features. And if you call
it an *expensive* game, you must be joking!
JOH
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> I for one will admit that the "Driving Feel" in GP2 is far better than
> ICR1 or Nascar2 ,If you cant admit that your kidding your self .From
> brake lockup to wheel spin and the way the suspenion reacts when you
> clip the curbs . But as much as I love the game I still know that
> Papyrus games are a complete package and as much as people complain to
> get and of not getting patches , atleast when you leave the store you
> know your purcase was worth the money . I dont think i'll have that
> feeling for microprose for quite some time .
> GP2 : The best racing game that almost was . :(
BTW: To all you guys spending big bucks on computer stuff so you get a
better frame rate,.....I bought a race car, and raced last season for
less than I spent on my computer! Honestly, for the price of a 17"
monitor you could own your own stock car. You just have to know where to
look. The only problem is when it breaks, you can't hit shift + r,. You
have to fix it! :-)
DJD
> Steven
At least you realise... :-)
I have strong doubts about this figure. I read this group _every_ day, and 8/10
is a strong overestimation.
This might be psychological after all: you read with a "negative" attitude and
feel as if the complaints are more important, I read with a "positive" attitude
and minimalise them. The truth is probably out there... in between the two
extremes.
BTW: I DON'T count the mails about lack of support. I'm only talking about
playing the game. I'm not here to defend Microprose.
Anyway: just compare the number of complaints (remember: only count your own
posts once, should make a big difference :-) ) with the number of people
competing in some GP2 league. Do you really think they would compete if they
didn't enjoy themselves tremendously? Enough said.
You start writing in Dutch.
If you ask 100 buyers of GP2 whether they are happy, then those "facts" will
become less and less important.
So GP2 has some problems. I don't deny that. What I don't accept is that every
single post by you makes people believe that it is *crap*. And it ISN'T.
Really David, if you wouldn't be so damn exclusively focused on those few
problems in your posts, I couldn't care less. Hey, I experienced some irritating
behaviour of GP2 myself. But that's easily compensated by the fun I have most of
the time.
You don't. GP2 is still the best F1 simulator around. This is not the same as
"GP2 is perfect", but it still means a damn lot. I can't remember a post by you
where you acknowledged this.
It means that you overestimate the importance of the GP2 "bugs" to the majority
of buyers.
I don't defend Microprose.
I try to prevent that people who want to buy GP2 don't do so only because they
read your biased posts. Not because Microprose would lose money, but because
those people would miss a great experience. Be it in VGA only or not. A great
experience in VGA is STILL a great experience. (with a decent pentium you drive
SVGA without problems actually)
And your "When a better F1 sim comes out.." is very interesting. You see: there
have been some contenders already.
What about Power F1? After the screenshots it was claimed to be a GP2 killer.
Turned out to be a JOKE. *I* wasn't surprised.
Psygnosis F1: looks great and is undoubtedly one hell of an arcade game, all
credit to that. BUT: it has no***pit view, the AI is very
modest....Conclusion: not a contender to GP2.
Starting Grid: in the pipeline for how long? Is it almost a year since the first
announcements? The (still) screenshots look great, and I _hope_ it will be a
good simulator. But experience shows that it's a very slim chance that it will
surpass GP2.
The future will prove that GP2 isn't that bad (understatement) after all.
It's NOT the majority. Only in your dreams(GP2 nightmares? :-) ), Gary.
I'm only discussing the GAME GP2. You bash Microprose as much as you want. But
being a little more constructive might help^, who knows?
JoH
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That's your prerogative and it obviously helps you to decide what to
purchase and what to pass up.
But again, you've missed my point: you belong to a microscopic group and
the fact that you pick and choose based on opinions expressed here will
have negligible effect on overall sales of racing simulation software. And
so it will forever be. There will always be a "core" of sim-racing
enthusiasts to whom the RAS will be their Bible. But they will always be
but a tiny, tiny section of the game-buying population of this planet.
---
Bruce.
"But that was then....and this is now!"
(Guess who!)
> But they will always be
> but a tiny, tiny section of the game-buying population of this planet.
Its these "locked in" ideas that truly fog ones knowledge to except the
truth
about technology and communication.
The blind man doesnt see the rock being thrown at him until it hits him
dead between the eyes and then he sees......red.
=8>]
-DG-
> That's your prerogative and it obviously helps you to decide what to
> purchase and what to pass up.
> But again, you've missed my point: you belong to a microscopic group and
> the fact that you pick and choose based on opinions expressed here will
> have negligible effect on overall sales of racing simulation software. And
> so it will forever be. There will always be a "core" of sim-racing
> enthusiasts to whom the RAS will be their Bible. But they will always be
> but a tiny, tiny section of the game-buying population of this planet.
> ---
> Bruce.
> "But that was then....and this is now!"
> (Guess who!)
With that in mind, what's the verdict on GP2
From what I have read here Not very good
Rob
I havent? I most certainly have.
Ok Jo, lets think here for a minute. I havent stated GP2 is the "best"
F1 simulator
around because it's the ONLY F1 simulator around. So stating that its
the "best"
is irelevant. Its by far not the best "racing sim" around in
general(IMO).
You have nothing to support this.
Let me ask you a question Jo, Is GP2 the only "racing" sim you have or
play?
I havent seen any contenders. All the F1 games coming out soon have
already been announced
by their representatives that they should _NOT_ be considered a
simulator. Imagine that,
representatives of *** companies posting in this newsgroup. Hmmmm, I
didnt think they
cared. Maybe they actually give a damn about their customers and their
future.
Game
Game
Not announced(as far as I know)
What experience? Who's had experience with this "game", "sim" whatever?
Huh?
No the past already has.
-DG-
I don't think elections are such a good example here. Or maybe they ARE, but in
another way than you think.
Elections can be compulsory or not. This does make a difference for the results.
If they aren't compulsory, only motivated people will vote. Totally
disinterested will not. Thus, the results are NOT representative for the entire
population. That's why developers of questionaires try everything to make their
sample as heterogenous as possible.
In the same way, people writing to the newsgroup about GP2 are not
representative, as it is shown that people who are happy with something don't
feel as much need to shout that to the world. If, on the other hand, a random
selection of GP2 players would be asked after their impression, THAT would be
representative.
It's sad for you that you didn't buy GP2. (I think I'm allowed to derive this
from your message since you seem to assign a lot of importance to negative
publicity over here)
You're the only victim.
JoH
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You dont have a clue, or
Your a complete Moron,
Dweeb, wet dream,
*** sucker,
fag, pansy,
mama's boy,
ass***er,
but I wouldnt do that.
-DG-
Tadaaaaaaa! Are you starting to get *reasonable*??
Not the graphics(as yet), but they still have the feel, don't they?
What kind of utilities? Those things are nice options, not more than that. You
can't actually _blame_ a company for not including your personal dream
utility...
...
[comments about lack of support that I might agree with]
...
JoH
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I agree that you did just about two days ago. In a shortlived attempt to give an
unbiased impression. I can't dig deep enough into my memory for an _earlier_
message in which you did.
Well, *I* certainly have keys. I don't know what you're talking about here.
You know what? You're talking about the flashy spoiler on the back. Or the
leather seats. And the television set with video in the back.
Their absence doesn't prevent you from using the keys and driving.
....
Changing subject again? I thought I stated often enough that I'm not talking
about Microprose here.
I play the game. I read your posts.
My conclusion: David Gary treats the game a little (?) unfair.
....
Because the other "F1 simulators" turned out to be so poor afterwards that
GP2-bashers suddenly decided not to call them simulators any more....
If you read the newsgroups shortly before their release, you would have noticed
how many whiners announced them as GP2-killer.
I played Indycar II regularly at a friend's place, and I played NASCAR I. Didn't
like NASCAR (just TOO American), but I enjoyed IR II a lot.
But after getting used to GP2, IR II was a huge disappointment in terms of
"feel" for the car. Gave a very "flat" impression. I'm sure Papyrus will be
up-to-date with their next release, and I will certainly consider buying it.
....
Still discussing Microprose? I never did and I wonder why you keep coming back
to this issue. Maybe nothing else in the bag?
After it turned out to be one. Before that, it "would beat the hell out of GP2!"
After it turned out to be one. Before that, it "would beat the hell out of GP2!"
Then I have been longer around here than you. It must have been june-july '96
when representatives posted the first announcements in this group. (+small
movie!) It would be ready before the end of the year.
I think GP2 made them think again. But that's just a guess, of course....
The experience that every next GP2-killer was another storm in a teacup thus
far.
I'm glad you agree.
JoH
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And you ever-so-conviniently missed Gary's explanation about how
demographics work.
Do you really think that if 30% (or whatever it is) Usenet readers
will not buy MicroProse products due to their policy of "no patch - ever",
that somehow translates to only .1% of the general public agreeing with
that assessment?
Where were you when after about two months since GP2 was released this
newsgroup was practically flooded with complaints? Back then the
complainers were NOT a minority in this newsgroup.
-TPP