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Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

wat..

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by wat.. » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I have a brand new Micron Millenia MXE with a P200 MMX, 64mb of 60ns
RAM, 512kb Cache, Diamond Stealth 3d 2000, Sidewinder Pro and run in
"re-boot to DOS" mode not Win95. With SVGA set to "auto" I get almost
everything "on" in the graphics detail setup, the game looking pretty
good (to be honest), nominal frame rate of about 20 but occupancy like
170% sitting still on the grid. To get occupancy down to the 90-100%
range on the grid and in chase car view during a busy race, I have to
set mine about like the previous poster.

Maybe the real frame rate is slower than the nominal rate in the "auto"
mode. I recall from my college days as a theater projectionist that
movies run through at 24fps and they look pretty smooth. With occupancy
at 90-100%, it's as good as a movie to my 48-yr old eyes.

Dave Hawn

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Dave Hawn » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> > Norbert,

> > At present GP2 has not equivelent processor to run with full detail AND
> > full frame rate.  A iP200, mmx-200, 686-200 or AMD-200 whould give you full
> > detail with 16/17fps (which most people are very happy with) or you could
> > drop some detail levels, such as the sky and one or two mirror options and
> > have a higher frame rate.  One must always strike a balance between the
> > two.  The choice is always with the user.

> > Best Regards,
> > Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe

> Hi Mark,

> I must say your about as late in commenting to this newsgroup as GP2 was
> in
> hitting the shelves. Now finally since you've made Microprose's presence
> known
> to the only "REAL" news group that discusses Geoff Crammond's
> "so-called"
> masterpiece, then you might want to answer some "REAL" questions!

> 1st: Why would you dare advertise "modem capabilty" when it is obvious
> that
> it wasn't useful in the least?  Even with "direct link" it is impossible
> and
> most unacceptable to actually work successfully. Did you not know this
> at the time? Its
> hard to believe this important feature could go unoticed! Doesnt
> Microprose
> have "beta" testers like everyone else?!

> 2nd: Why would you release a sim made from an engine that wouldnt even
> run with half
> the details on with the fastest hardware still to this date? What you
> have stated
> above about 16/17 fps on a p200mmx is based on what? What track, what
> location on the track?
> How many cars in front? I only would guess, since playing GP2 on a
> p200mmx, you mean
> the longest run at "Japan" with absolutely ZERO cars in front of you.
> Where do you get
> a statistic of "most" people. 16/17 fps is lousy compared to what most
> of these "die-hard"
> racing sim fanatics are used to in past sims on slower pents. Isnt it
> obvious to you guys that this
> would "limit" your market or profit? I guess not, taken in consideration
> of the little
> "required hardware = 100MHz 486DX/4" tag on the side of the box.

> 3rd and most important of all: Why would Microprose NOT release a patch
> for
> this "so-called" masterpiece?!! This is most disturbing given the fact
> that
> the customers that bought this product deserve something beside a "beta"
> copy
> of GP2. Shareware is usually free, not 40 bucks! The game is "definetly"
> NOT
> finished in 99% of the posts I've read in here from people that have
> spent
> countless hours playing with GP2 AND other racing SIMS. Almost every
> game that
> has been developed and released was sooner or later followed by a patch
> or "fix". Is
> Microprose any different?! Should we, as customers, except this "beta"
> as is?!
> I think not!

> The REAL problem is not only these listed above, but also Microprose's
> blatant
> reluctancy to "show" any type of customer support OR even presence in
> this ng. One may
> assume you thought after a few months, the heat would'nt be as present
> and therefore
> you wouldn't have to answer any "REAL" questions.

> With all due respect, please Mr.Rich, please answer the "REAL"
> importance here if you
> stand behind your company!

> -DG-

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.... we heard it all before snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

GP2 is still the BEST racing sim on the market.....I am still gonna
blow  $1000 bucks on a P200, Matrox mel....etc, etc, just to hike the
fps up.
And when P300+ are the norm., GP2 will still be valid.

Congratulations to Geoff Grammond, he is a ***y genius, (GOD).  The
only thing I can't understand is how he got tucked up those wan***'s at
Microprose?

Jammer (UK)

......"Employ a ***ager, while the still know every thing!"

Michael E. Carve

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Michael E. Carve » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00


: I NEVER understood why people wanted to have all graphics and textures in the
: mirrors. Where the hell do you need them for? I only have the cars plotted in my
: mirrors, and much more detail on the track itself.

The REALLY fast guys want all the detail in the mirrors, since all of
the action is taking place behind them. <g>

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Clinton D. Mae

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Clinton D. Mae » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00

Tell it like it is Michael!!!!!!!!!!!





> : I NEVER understood why people wanted to have all graphics and textures
in the
> : mirrors. Where the hell do you need them for? I only have the cars
plotted in my
> : mirrors, and much more detail on the track itself.

> The REALLY fast guys want all the detail in the mirrors, since all of
> the action is taking place behind them. <g>

ymenar

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by ymenar » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> >I've played GP2 for 10 months on a P100 and now I wanna have something that
> >REALLY FLIES... so :

> >Is there a machine that can run GP2 in SVGA FULL details (except sky) +
> >texture in mirror at 25 FPS with a CPU occupancy LESS than 90 (during a
> >race, not during practice)

> >I plan to buy an AMD K6 200. what kind of performance (in full detail) can
> >I expect in fps ??? (I have a millenium)

> >When I try to play in SVGA Full details in monaco, during the first lap I
> >have a CPU occupancy of about 300-450%.... (on my P100)... I need some
> >other benchmark to make my opinion about a new CPU.

> >Thanks...

Buy a Cray super-computer :)
Seriously, I found a place near my house who boost computers.  big
boosting.  for 12000$ can, you can have a dual pentium pro 200mhz with
40meg VIDEO CARD !!!!!, 128meg Sdram, 18x cd-rom, SB AWE64 gold,
etc,etc.  If this cannot run GP2 with full detail, who will :)  I think
the only problem is that it come with NT4.0, wich AFAIK run Gp2 slower.
Thanks a lot,

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chris ( a??

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by chris ( a?? » Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:00:00

my is 166mmx with 32md edo overclocked to 207.5Mhz with 4mb vram
stealth 3d, without sky, I could run 23 to 25 fps with a help of a
patch file called s3spdup.exe. cpu occupancy is less than 100 most of
the time. However in monaco, I also have a bit of problem with high
fps because there are too much buildings. I also got the 96 (or 97)
adverts installed, I think the news ads make it runs a bit slower
because it contains more ads than the original.

I run it under win95, don't know whether it makes a bit of difference
or not.

BTW my board is Asus T2P4 rev 3.10

Chris

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Infomation Systems
University of Cape Town

JNR

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by JNR » Sat, 26 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> > Norbert,

> > At present GP2 has not equivelent processor to run with full detail AND
> > full frame rate.  A iP200, mmx-200, 686-200 or AMD-200 whould give you full
> > detail with 16/17fps (which most people are very happy with) or you could
> > drop some detail levels, such as the sky and one or two mirror options and
> > have a higher frame rate.  One must always strike a balance between the
> > two.  The choice is always with the user.

> > Best Regards,
> > Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe

Gee Mark !!

I noticed you havent replyed to me from the last post I sent you.
:-(

Perhaps you may have erased it by accident ?  ;-)

As a frustrated "user" of GP2 maybe you can answer this post:

How can 17fps possibly be acceptable or as you put it "most people are
very happy with"

What were those people on ?


Its fine I suppose if one is into "slo-motion sim racing"

Mark perhaps I should remind you that its not just a "user" but a
CUSTOMER that has paid for a product that cannot deliver what it
advertises on the box.

A CUSTOMER should not have to strike a balance - you quote "choice is
with the user"   that is so smooth.

Lets tell it like it is sir: the actual word that you have ducked here
is .... compromise.

Lets carry that a step further: a compromised product that the customer
has to live with.

I will assume that your lack of another reply will mean that MPS and
yourself are in agreement with my valid statements about GP2.

l8Ter !

Jude R.
1996 AC Cobra(590hp)
1995 SHO(225hp)
1997 Windstar(It carries the kids and the spare parts)

Steffen Schlei

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Steffen Schlei » Sat, 26 Apr 1997 04:00:00

If that thing could run gp2 at full detail i bought it already.

But gp2 cannot use more than 1 cpu and cannot take an advantage from
40 MB ram on the video card.

And in Gp2 the Pentium Pro 200 isn't faster than a 225 Mhz Pentium mmx
(overclocked).

Steffen Schleier

Jo Hels

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Jo Hels » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00


The clue about the framerate is: the game tries to show the number of frames per
second that you choose. So if you select 24fps, it will *try* to show 24fps. But
if you don't have enough cpu-power, it will take *longer* than a second to show
those 24frames! That's when it gets jerkey, and when processor occupancy gets
above 100%.

The trick is to set the desired framerate about 2.0 lower than the estimated.
You'll find that 21 fps this way is very smooth compared to 23fps with
occasional PO over 100%.

JOH

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Jo Hels

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Jo Hels » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>Tell it like it is Michael!!!!!!!!!!!





>> : I NEVER understood why people wanted to have all graphics and textures
>in the
>> : mirrors. Where the hell do you need them for? I only have the cars
>plotted in my
>> : mirrors, and much more detail on the track itself.

>> The REALLY fast guys want all the detail in the mirrors, since all of
>> the action is taking place behind them. <g>

Do YOU have mirrors to look around the previous corner? ;-)

JOH

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Jo Hels

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Jo Hels » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00



>my is 166mmx with 32md edo overclocked to 207.5Mhz with 4mb vram
>stealth 3d, without sky, I could run 23 to 25 fps with a help of a
>patch file called s3spdup.exe. cpu occupancy is less than 100 most of
>the time. However in monaco, I also have a bit of problem with high
>fps because there are too much buildings. I also got the 96 (or 97)
>adverts installed, I think the news ads make it runs a bit slower
>because it contains more ads than the original.

>I run it under win95, don't know whether it makes a bit of difference
>or not.

>BTW my board is Asus T2P4 rev 3.10

This sounds impressive! It seems to me that you are using a 83 MHz busspeed
multiplied by 2.5, and THAT seems to be the clue here.

BTW: it is true that you get a 1-2fps disadvantage from running in Win95.
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Frode Dufe

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Frode Dufe » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00

This must be it, since the whole intel consept is based on the 66Mhz
freq.
Intel mentiond that they will not go up on the bus speed, to bad for
them.
I am surly going to get my self a Cyrix M2 that runs on a 100Mhz bus
speed.
That will speed up the graphics alot, since it then can be transfered
mutch more info on the bus.
the M2 also got the Intel Pentium Pro instructions registers.

I think that Gp2 will run realy well with the M2.

Looks like Intel is moving away from the home computer market and over
to the more advanced Network mainframe systems.

Frode Dufey

brand..

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by brand.. » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00




>>Tell it like it is Michael!!!!!!!!!!!





>>> : I NEVER understood why people wanted to have all graphics and textures
>>in the
>>> : mirrors. Where the hell do you need them for? I only have the cars
>>plotted in my
>>> : mirrors, and much more detail on the track itself.

I find that all the details in the mirrors does not make my computer
take a performance hit.  So, I might as well use them.
ymenar

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by ymenar » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> > I can run GP2 at full detail with 25 fps with no trouble.

> > I have an AMD K6-200, Abit It5H motherboard,  32 megs RAM, Matrox
> > Mystique video.

> > GP2 suggested fram rat is 22 or 23, but I crank it up to 25 and it works
> > great.


> But how is it in Monaco????
> And how much does you CPU need to work?

> Frode Dufey

Like he said, I also can run Gp2 with no trouble at 25fps.  Anyone can
do this.  I have a P100.  Just put all graphics ON and put the framerate
at 25.  But look out for the gameplay.  It will take you 10minutes to do
a lap.   :)    

Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators)
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =ymenard now!!!
SPEED- http://www.nascarnet.com/~speed
     [===]   Go Rubens Barrichello, Jacques Villeneuve,

     | ! |   And all you that thinks that Jacques Villeneuve is
      |!|    from Canada, your right!! He's from St-Jean sur le
      |o|    Richelieu, 30 minutes from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

    [--I--]      
       v  
Fran?ois Mnard "Wasupe LeGrand"
May the force be with you, always!!
Que la force soit avec toi, jamais!(for you French people)
Excuse me for my poor English(I'm French speaking)

Frode Dufe

Who is running GP2 in SVGA full details at 25 fps ???

by Frode Dufe » Sun, 27 Apr 1997 04:00:00




> > > I can run GP2 at full detail with 25 fps with no trouble.

> > > I have an AMD K6-200, Abit It5H motherboard,  32 megs RAM, Matrox
> > > Mystique video.

> > > GP2 suggested fram rat is 22 or 23, but I crank it up to 25 and it works
> > > great.


> > But how is it in Monaco????
> > And how much does you CPU need to work?

> > Frode Dufey

> Like he said, I also can run Gp2 with no trouble at 25fps.  Anyone can
> do this.  I have a P100.  Just put all graphics ON and put the framerate
> at 25.  But look out for the gameplay.  It will take you 10minutes to do
> a lap.   :)

Well  10min to get around the track... that is NOT what i had i mind..
I mean to have 25fpm, but still keep the load on the processor under
100%!!!!!!!

Frode Dufey


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