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I really like the***pit view in F1 2000 compared to F1RS. In
F1RS, I always felt that the***pit was simply a mask moving
back and forth over the screen. And the framerate in F1RS
always felt a little "weird" and flat. Despite this, I really liked
F1RS quite allot.

F1 2000 on the other hand seems to solve all of these problems
for me. Additionally

1) I like the tire temp indicators on the wheel. Doing a burnout
will superheat your tires and make them very slippery. Don't
remember that in GP2 or F1RS.

2) Riding the kurbs like the real guys is also very cool. I never
remember doing that in F1RS. But we all know that riding the
kurbs is essential to a good lap time these days. F1 2000
really shows this IMHO.

3) Scattered cars littering the track!!! YES! I was running 25%
races at Imola and starting in the rear. I worked my way up to
4th and spun out... But still on my way up there I was amazed
at all the broken cars littering the course. To me it adds im-
measurably to the experience. I also didn't get taken out as
I seemed to get used to racing with this game or something.

4) One of my biggest complaints about other modern F1
racing games is the driving model in the turns. In GP2 and
F1RS you could be in a certain gear with the gas massed
down and never spin. Well in F1 2000 this isn't the case.
If you are stupid and over cook it in a turn you will spin (just
like Irvine did in Brazil). I am very impressed with the driving
model.

5) In car radio communication... I really like it and it adds quite
a bit to the race. Yes it is stupid when you are congratulated
for passing a car that spun out but hey, it is better than  nothing.
Plus you do get a good picture of the entire race.

Will GP3 be better than F1 2000? I don't know. Will it have
a driving model which is as good as F1 2000? Will it have
in car radio comms? Will it have better framerates? If the
previous versions are any indication I am not holding my
breath. I think F1 2000 may be very competitive with GP3
and could quite possibly be the better modern F1 sim.
Besides, will GP3 have the current season and cars and
tracks in the game? Or will it be crippled by licensing and
have fake names? Will it have the new indy track? Since
I already have my Sept 24th tickets for the US GP this
year, I am very interested in racing there in the game.

Finally my system specs are: DELL P2-450, 128MB,
16GB HDD, 16MB TNT, 12MB Voodoo2 card and
SBPCI64 soundcard. I ran the game at 800x600 with
6 cars drawn, but still had the full field of 22 cars for
racing and test. Mirrors are on with additional mirror
objects off. FRAPS gave me a solid 20fps in testing
and 15-16 in a quick race.

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Cool eh? But do they exist in reallife? I don't think so....

F1-2000 does have a (decent) 3D physics model, F1RS didn't....of
course, F1RS is from 1997...Apart from the (suspicious) fact that your
brakes don't respond fast enough when you release the brakes after
you've locked the tyres, I think that the physics model is quite ok.
The feedback is maybe a bit overdone, but that may be a good thing.

I'm not sure about F1-2000 modelling each tyre on it's own. I've the
feeling it does only model the front and rear tyres, like ISI did with
SCGT. (If you lock a front tyre, you lock them both). But I can be
wrong about this...

I'm amazed too. Where is the red flag? This is a F1 game, not
Mid Town Madness, or whatever it's called...

You mean the power-on snap oversteer? Yeah, it's great, but still
too soft IMO. The car is too easy to control when you drive away
with full throttle from stand still...

I miss the pitboard...the radio is pathetic IMO.

GP3 will feature the 1998 season, AFAIK. I think that F1-2000
does a very bad job WRT modelling the 2000 drivers. I've seen
too often that Diniz/Button are fighting for first, and that the RL
top 4 (Ferrari and McLaren drivers) are qualifying bad.

The AI out of the box is just plain bad. Come on, half of the grid is
crashing  in the formation lap! And what about the 3 stop stategy
in a 5 lap race? Gimme a break...

There are more flaws, but in the end I think that most things are
easy to solve. I hope ISI will support this game, and that they
patch at least the AI, multiplay practice, controller setup,
FF, replays and a better way of storing the setups....

Oh Greg, did you like the FF? :-P

Remco

Huh. I guess I am not sure what you dislike. I was comparing
to F1RS. I bleieve the tires are way better than F1RS. I guess
it is a matter of tastes.

No of course not, but they to help replace a sensation you
would have about the tire temps if you were actually driving
instead of sitting behind a flat screen. However the fact that
there are indicators which keep track of tire temps is very
cool IMHO. Nothing like that in F1RS or GP2 from what I
remember. Plus the temps translate into actual car handling
(or lack of it).

I believe they model the individual tires. I see the temp indicators
change for the tires individually. They also model the inner, middle
and outer parts of each tire. IMHO it is very good. Plus what
about those dozens of chassis setup options!!

Also, I have seen the AI smoke from one tire and several tires
under braking. I do believe the tires are modeled individually.

Hey, where are the flags or flagmen??? I Like the fact that
they often wreck on the opening lap. It doesn't happen all
the time, but it HAPPENS! In F1RS it seemed to happen
5% of the time.

Well I just thought that after N3 that a radio is essential. At the
moment I like it. Perhaps after time I won;t like it...

Never saw this in a quick race. Mclaren and Ferrarri always
qual 1-4 and they 4 of them generally battle for the lead. Pretty
realistic actually. Too bad about GP3 doing the 98 season.
I really want to do the indy track.

I haven't done formation laps. I have run 10% and 25% races,
I never saw the AI pitting prematurely. It worked as normal.
Do you have tire & fuel usage accelerated? I Know sometimes
a car will pit after it spins and crashes. Then your crew cheif will
mention something about a pit stop strategy, but I have ignored
it as I know they are in the pits to fix body work or flatspotted
tires.

Nope I think it sucks. It is as good as F1RS or SCGT though :-)

bump bump bump....

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You can easily see the front wheels locking
independently of each other.  Whenever you
are turning, and the majority of weight
has transferred to the outside wheel, the
inside wheel will lock up much more easily.

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 Yeah, in this instance, it seems almost as if it has traction control.

The 3 stop strategy doesn't happen in a 5 lap race, it's just that the guy
on the radio thinks that because a driver goes in the pits on lap 1 or 2 for
repairs, that he's on a 3 stop strategy. Silly, but no big deal!
Iain

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Also I've never had middle order runners battling over the lead, I
would check tomake sure that you don't have 'all cars equal' switched
to on

Regards Mike

On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:34:58 -0500, "Greg Cisko"

There doesn't seem to be much wheel spin at the start of the race,
though.  When the lights go off, I've just been stomping on the gas, with
no apparent ill effect.  Is that everyone else's experience?

The game has some kinks, but I'm enjoying it.

Can anyone give a detailed review of its multi-player mode?  The manual
vaguely refers to it being for high speed connections. What are the
findings out there in the real world?

Dave Ewing

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It definitely models the front wheels independently.

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gerry

Definitely not mine!  I have to practise starts a lot as getting the pedal
pressure right to avoid wheel spin is crucial to raceposition. Do you have
any aids on?
Iain