rec.autos.simulators

And how do I measure my system? Is it a program that you run and it
checks your machine's performance?

If so, where do I get it?

Warlock!

It's a benchmarking program that looks simply amazing.  There is a
Matrix-like scene that can be played with full sound and music.  Very
impressive.  Easy to use.  Get it here:

www.madonion.com

--
Joe Marques

http://www.madonion.com/

I have a feeling it might be a bit biased towards nVIDIA cards, but at
least you can use it to test different settings on your PC against each
other and such...

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

"The Pits"    http://www.theuspits.com/

* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
"Spamkiller"    http://www.spamkiller.com

This coming from a guy who is MORE than slightly biased AGAINST nVIDIA
cards.  ;-P

LOL

Scott
PA-Scott

Yeah, it unfairly takes advantage of all those damn new fangled features.
Give me 2D sprites I tell ya!  ;0)

--
Joe Marques

I tried the Raedon 8500 and the NVidia Ti500 and 3DMark 2001 gave the Raedon
8500 a better score...

I will never ever understand people who own a computer but can't do the
simple things like typing 3D Mark 2001 into a search engine.

Oh well....

Morgan

Thanks for taking the time and replying to my post though!
Don't know if I coulda found it without you, Morgan! :)

I guess I just don't understand why people whine about such trivial things.

Wait! I'll type it into a search engine. Ok... lessee...

A-n-a-l (space) R-e-t-e-n-t-i-v-e

Hey, whaddya know? It works!

j/k, Morgan...

Warlock!

www.madonion.com

Andi.

Oki, I just noticed when I did a bit of bench marking a good while that
even though a card scored worse than another in 3DMark, it might still
run NHeat and MBTR, which I used to have some actual sims to compare
with, just as well as the card which scored better in 3DMark, which more
often than not was an nVidia based card, and I talked to another
hardware enthusiast about it, and he was of the same opinion....

Guess all card manufacturers now writes drivers to score well in 3DMark
and Quake 3, hopefully they'll soon write drivers which will give us
better performance in games as well....:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

Pffffft, give me DOS 3.0

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

Actually, I'm not against their CARDS, I'm against their way of doing
business

Not sure what to compare it with, but probably something like this

I build and sell computers for a living, and if the customer insists he
can have an nVidia card installed :-), so to outsell everyone else in
town, I would choose good parts for my computers but slap them together
somewhat haphazardly and sort of install Win 3.11 on them, and as time
goes by I'll tell them to bring them back so I can install Win95 on
them, then Win95 B, then Win95 C, Win98, Win98SE and then finally WinME
and put in the rest of the retaining screws for the lid or something,
and since we all know that WinME doesn't work all that well on all
systems, I'll tell my customers to go back to Win98SE if their system
doesn't run stable with WinME.....but first I tell everyone that has
bought my computers over the last 5 years or so, sure, go ahead and
install WinME to see if it helps their problem

And because when they are working, which is every leap year or
something, my customers will brag about having the fastest PC in town,
and because I cut some corners installing the software I can produce my
PC's at fairly low price.....and because I had some financial backing I
can do this until I drive the others out of business

And THEN, when another company starts up here in town, I wait around
until they're just about ready to start selling a possibly better
product, I tell all my customers to install the free Win2000 upgrade,
which I've been sitting on for quite some time, as this will boost both
performance and reliability to kingdom come.....which is only true if
your PC is fairly recent and well put together to begin with.....and
then SP1 and SP2 etc etc

Doesn't mean my customers got the best possible product, doesn't even
mean they got the best product in town, and before anyone asks, yes, 99%
of the "***" PC's we build come with nVidia cards these days, because
for a long while that was the only serious option

For some strange reason people attack Intel and Microsoft for being
monopolistic and putting out "less than perfect" products, but because
nVidia gives them another 200 points or something extra in 3DMark or
another 5fps in Q3, then it's ok for them to use the same tactics, get
the product on the market, we'll fix the bugs later

Anyways.....you were saying ? :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

And I'll never understand why people who find the time to tell people to
use a search engine, but doesn't bother to help people out with a simple
URL, it would have looked a lot less harsh if you had posted the URL and
then posted the URL to a couple of good search engines with a brief
explanation on how to use them properly

Just because someone has a computer, races sims on it and has found this
NG doesn't mean they *have* to be experienced in the use of internet
help tools you know :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--

I was saying for someone who builds computers for the public you don't know
much!  =P   LOLOL

I've owned 3 nVidia cards since I last owned a 3dfx or other brand and I
have not had a single issue using them on Win98SE or Win2K Pro.  There are
numerous drivers from which to choose... some approved, some not.. but they
are there if you so choose.  All have worked flawlessly.

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Yeah, thank god ATI released a perfect example of what vid cards should be.
That Radeon 8500 was shipped only after they enabled all the onboard
features and final drivers for it.
 P.S. Those with sarcasm detectors, i apologize. Please send copies of the
repair bills to my e-mail addy for full compensation.
 Sorry Goy, but unless ive indulged in too many beers and cheers, i seem to
remember this same type of discussion with every vid card and most software
ever invented.
 I wont even bother comparing flawed product release with the automotive
industry. If ya really want to own something trouble free and unchanged in
basic design, invest in Pez dispensers ! As usual, thanks fer listening :)