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OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

Goy Larse

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Goy Larse » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 03:22:48


> LOL.. 605k?? Sheesh..  That would require some magic loading of devices in
> config.sys :)

> -Jacob

> PS. The most trouble I had was playing Strike Commander in dos, think I had
> to free up around 585 or 590k.. That was damn tricky..  Ahh the good ole
> days of having specific boot disk for specific games.. LOL

Hiya Jake, don't you have a NG to nurse or something ? :-)

Yeah, Aces over Europe was tricky, I was lucky I didn't have a
Soundblaster card back then, had some MediaForte card or something, very
small drivers, but with some serious settings in memmaker you could
*just* make it, and boy was I happy when I got 4 extra 30 pin memory
modules, bringing me up from 4 to 8 MB of RAM.......

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Jonny Hodgso

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Jonny Hodgso » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:47:20


> LOL.. 605k?? Sheesh..  That would require some magic loading of devices in
> config.sys :)

> -Jacob

> PS. The most trouble I had was playing Strike Commander in dos, think I had
> to free up around 585 or 590k.. That was damn tricky..  Ahh the good ole
> days of having specific boot disk for specific games.. LOL

590k?  Pah!  F1GP needed 600000 bytes (586k), and my
hand-written config files easily achieved something
like 618k IIRC.

Now, the ultimate evolution was my batch file system
which, when you requested Descent for example (through
'games launcher' - "gl desc"):
 - swapped the config files to a totally stripped set
   (wasn't DOS/4GW wonderful?  Conventional memory...
   what's that?)
 - rebooted
 - ran Descent (having first loaded a mouse driver)
 - on exit, asked for confirmation then swapped the
   config files back to the default
 - returned to the front-end menu, consisting of
   Windows (press W), DOS (press D) or reboot (R)

I think I ended up with about six or seven different
configs, for a variety of games plus a general one
and a Windows one!

Jonny

STP

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by STP » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:35:26


I think AOE was actually 612k. Not sure, but I do know it had the highest
requirement for just about any dos game I ever owned.

Goy Larse

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Goy Larse » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:02




> > LOL.. 605k?? Sheesh..  That would require some magic loading of devices in
> > config.sys :)

> > -Jacob

> I think AOE was actually 612k. Not sure, but I do know it had the highest
> requirement for just about any dos game I ever owned.

605...612, either way it forced me to look into boot menus....:-)

Beers and cheers
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Rafe McAulif

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Rafe McAulif » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:23:01

Very true, about the best use for it. Also good for stability testing
when set to loop endlessly.

Rafe Mc

Rafe McAulif

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Rafe McAulif » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:34:03

I agree with shutting down the virus scanner, but not the firewall. If
you're on cable you shouldn't drop your security just because you're
in a game.

Rafe Mc

Dave Henri

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Dave Henri » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:00:02

  Amatuers....F15SE III needed about 605 to run,  but if you wanted speech
then you had to get up to 618.....I beleive the best I got was 619, but my
modem bud somehow got 621 freed up...
  I had a double nested startup menu with custom configs for about 10 or 12
games...some with cdrom support, others without...
dave henrie




> > > LOL.. 605k?? Sheesh..  That would require some magic loading of
devices in
> > > config.sys :)

> > > -Jacob

> > I think AOE was actually 612k. Not sure, but I do know it had the
highest
> > requirement for just about any dos game I ever owned.

> 605...612, either way it forced me to look into boot menus....:-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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Jens H. Kruus

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Jens H. Kruus » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:13:15





> > I have always benchmarked my system (3DMark or ?) using the real
settings
> > and apps. Eg. Virus scanner & firewall on. Seems silly to me to tweak
for
> > unrealistic speed.

> > /Jens

> You run your games with virus scanner and firewall on? You shouldn't,
waste
> of resources. Get Enditall 2.0 and shut down all that stuff when running
> games.

Sorry, I consider security to be far more important than ***. Turning off
the firewall is plain silly,- especially if you are using a fullscreen game
which hinders your ability to see what is going on in your pc. (Not that you
always can see attacks - far from it).

A good virus scanner will not hamper your performance,- at least not on my
system. Most games are graphics card limited (fillrate etc.). Thus you do
have cpu power to spare. And even if you didn't, how many files are opened
when you are in the game? And will adding 1% to the disk access time really
make a difference? In my opinion, there is a negligible performance hit - if
any! The very human worst case scenario is returning to VROC after a race
and checking your mail w/o turning on your AV scanner first. If you are
using Outlook Express the preview window can be abused to run viral scripts,
unless you have disabled active scripting in OE. Too bad, so sad, bye-bye.

In conclusion, if you can't run your games without shutting down your AV and
FW, you should consider reducing the graphics (or other) settings. Otherwise
you're playing with fire and deserve what you get! YOU were the one who
wanted +1 fps instead of security. But the choice is your to make,- I've
made mine.

Finally, this pc is actually rather secure as all external network
connections are routed to another pc, but occasionally I switch IPs and I'd
rather not risk forgetting to turn my security back on.

Cheers,
Jens

Jens H. Kruus

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Jens H. Kruus » Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:25:27

Right!
In my day you had to free up 639k of ram - if you were lucky! And we had to
write all the drivers ourselves in assembler starting without a monitor or
even diskdrive, so we hacked it straight into memory. And when I say memory,
I really mean the CPU cache. Our system didn't have any ram access at first,
you see.

/Jens



>   Amatuers....F15SE III needed about 605 to run,  but if you wanted speech
> then you had to get up to 618.....I beleive the best I got was 619, but my
> modem bud somehow got 621 freed up...
>   I had a double nested startup menu with custom configs for about 10 or
12
> games...some with cdrom support, others without...
> dave henrie





> > > > LOL.. 605k?? Sheesh..  That would require some magic loading of
> devices in
> > > > config.sys :)

> > > > -Jacob

> > > I think AOE was actually 612k. Not sure, but I do know it had the
> highest
> > > requirement for just about any dos game I ever owned.

> > 605...612, either way it forced me to look into boot menus....:-)

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy

> > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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Goy Larse

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Goy Larse » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:52:39


>   Amatuers....F15SE III needed about 605 to run,  but if you wanted speech
> then you had to get up to 618.....I beleive the best I got was 619, but my
> modem bud somehow got 621 freed up...
>   I had a double nested startup menu with custom configs for about 10 or 12
> games...some with cdrom support, others without...
> dave henrie

Nice, I actually got to 621 at one point, but that was without loading
essential stuff you needed to play games, like Mouse and Sound, so I
count 617 as my best effort, and yes, those boot menus was "wonderful"
:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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STP

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by STP » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:47:45


Hate to brag, but I could get it running without even using memmaker? :-)
Read a book once that dealt with nothing other than configuring memory under
Dos. Kind of boring, but it showed me the tricks of the trade. Unfortunately
or not, I've forgotten most of it now.

STP

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by STP » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:50:56


Maybe for online games, but when offline just disconnect the cable from the
wall. Can't get anymore secure. :-)

STP

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by STP » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:58:44



You said during games, not online games. Read my post above where I said
just unplug the cable from the wall if you are paranoid about getting
attacked. I had DSL and it came with an access manager that worked just like
a modem dialup. no one could get in if that wasn't loaded. It was never on
all the time like some high speed access ISP's do it.

Really? I've seen many posts to the contrary. I never keep virus scanners
memory resident. It's just not needed if you configure your internet
software correctly plus they can***up the installation of software. I
just use F-Prot for dos and scan when I think I have a reason to. I've never
had a virus infection yet.

OK Jens, sorry I rubbed you the wrong way. Each to their own.

Rafe McAulif

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Rafe McAulif » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:16:36




>> I agree with shutting down the virus scanner, but not the firewall. If
>> you're on cable you shouldn't drop your security just because you're
>> in a game.

>> Rafe Mc

>Maybe for online games, but when offline just disconnect the cable from the
>wall. Can't get anymore secure. :-)

Unfortunately, that could never work for me. On a 3PC LAN, the others
wouldn't appreciate my intrusion :) :D

Rafe Mc

Jens H. Kruus

OT... What is 3DMark 2001???

by Jens H. Kruus » Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:02:42



You didn't. :-) This is a very valid discussion. You and I have different
views on the "eternal" performance vs. security issue. Though you make some
good points, I just feel differently about it. It's the way I've been tought
to think professionally. The no. 1 priority in the financial sector is
security w/o compromise. If anybody in your bank tells you differently, move
your money right away. :-) One way of looking at it could be, that I don't
consider my pc properly configured unless the various security programs and
Internet settings are up and running. Sort of a part of the operating
system.

Btw, your comment about configuring Internetsoftware correctly? You are a
trusty fellow, aren't you? Fortunately for you, Microsoft never, ever leaves
security holes in their browsers or mail clients. :-)

Cheers,
Jens

P.S. If I remember to do so (lots of little tasks at hand) I'll try to
benchmark my system with and without the "stuff" in place.


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