rec.autos.simulators

> Yeah, thank god ATI released a perfect example of what vid cards should be.
> That Radeon 8500 was shipped only after they enabled all the onboard
> features and final drivers for it.
>  P.S. Those with sarcasm detectors, i apologize. Please send copies of the
> repair bills to my e-mail addy for full compensation.
>  Sorry Goy, but unless ive indulged in too many beers and cheers, i seem to
> remember this same type of discussion with every vid card and most software
> ever invented.
>  I wont even bother comparing flawed product release with the automotive
> industry. If ya really want to own something trouble free and unchanged in
> basic design, invest in Pez dispensers ! As usual, thanks fer listening :)

> I was saying for someone who builds computers for the public you don't know
> much!  =P   LOLOL

> I've owned 3 nVidia cards since I last owned a 3dfx or other brand and I
> have not had a single issue using them on Win98SE or Win2K Pro.  There are
> numerous drivers from which to choose... some approved, some not.. but they
> are there if you so choose.  All have worked flawlessly.

>> I tried the Raedon 8500 and the NVidia Ti500 and 3DMark 2001 gave the Raedon
>> 8500 a better score...

>Oki, I just noticed when I did a bit of bench marking a good while that
>even though a card scored worse than another in 3DMark, it might still
>run NHeat and MBTR, which I used to have some actual sims to compare
>with, just as well as the card which scored better in 3DMark, which more
>often than not was an nVidia based card, and I talked to another
>hardware enthusiast about it, and he was of the same opinion....

>Guess all card manufacturers now writes drivers to score well in 3DMark
>and Quake 3, hopefully they'll soon write drivers which will give us
>better performance in games as well....:-)

>Beers and cheers
>(uncle) Goy

>http://www.theuspits.com
>http://www.teammirage.com

>"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
>--Groucho Marx--

> And yes, it is biased towards the GF3, mainly because it takes full
> advantage of all the DX8 features of it.

> Rafe Mc

> >> I tried the Raedon 8500 and the NVidia Ti500 and 3DMark 2001 gave the
Raedon
> >> 8500 a better score...

> >Oki, I just noticed when I did a bit of bench marking a good while that
> >even though a card scored worse than another in 3DMark, it might still
> >run NHeat and MBTR, which I used to have some actual sims to compare
> >with, just as well as the card which scored better in 3DMark, which more
> >often than not was an nVidia based card, and I talked to another
> >hardware enthusiast about it, and he was of the same opinion....

> >Guess all card manufacturers now writes drivers to score well in 3DMark
> >and Quake 3, hopefully they'll soon write drivers which will give us
> >better performance in games as well....:-)

> >Beers and cheers
> >(uncle) Goy

> >http://www.theuspits.com
> >http://www.teammirage.com

> >"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
> >--Groucho Marx--

> > Well, aren't you the lucky one, we build a couple of hundred systems
> > every year and I'm the one who does most of the tech support.....

> > "Hello, how may I help you"

> > "Hey, we bought this computer just two weeks ago and "so and so" games
> > won't run"

> > "Ok, there's a new driver out from nVidia, have you tried installing
> > that one"

> Well, that's better than a customer who has an ATI card and calls up with
> the same problem. "Sorry, you are shit out of luck because there are no new
> drivers".

> Quite true, 3D Mark is purely a synthetic benchmark and has no direct
> relation to how well games will run. Manufacturers do optimise their
> drivers toward it because high scores sell well. We need them to take
> more notice of GPL and N4 frame rates for comparison. Maybe a timedemo
> of these would be a good tool for this.

> >Actually, I'm not against their CARDS, I'm against their way of doing
> >business

> [snip]

> Aren't analogies supposed to be *simpler* than the actual situation?
> ;-)

> > I was saying for someone who builds computers for the public you don't
know
> > much!  =P   LOLOL

> > I've owned 3 nVidia cards since I last owned a 3dfx or other brand and I
> > have not had a single issue using them on Win98SE or Win2K Pro.  There
are
> > numerous drivers from which to choose... some approved, some not.. but
they
> > are there if you so choose.  All have worked flawlessly.

> Well, aren't you the lucky one, we build a couple of hundred systems
> every year and I'm the one who does most of the tech support.....

> "Hello, how may I help you"

> "Hey, we bought this computer just two weeks ago and "so and so" games
> won't run"

> "Ok, there's a new driver out from nVidia, have you tried installing
> that one"

> "What's a driver......"

> <sigh>

> "Ok, what you need to do is <insert appropriate explanation here>, see
> if that helps"

> "Ok thx"
> ---
> one hour later
> ---

> "Hi it's me again"

> "Sorry, who is this again"

> "Me with the PC problems"

> <sigh>

> "Ok, please remind me again, what problems were you having"

> "so and so games won't work and you told me to DL and install the latest
> driver and it didn't help"

> "Ok, what we're gonna do now is to try an install an older driver and
> see if that helps, if you come down to the shop I'll have them on a CD
> for you or you can DL them from this web site"

> etc etc, but with a bit of luck we'll soon find a driver which works for
> their PC, then they DL and run 3DMark or some other BM tool, and we get
> another phone call

> "Hey, that driver you told me to install slowed my PC by almost 10% in
> Q3, I can now only get 85 fps ......."

> <big sigh>

> I miss DOS, all we had to worry about then was Config.sys, Autoexec.bat,
> XMS, EMS, Smartdrive, Memmaker, conventional memory, mousedrivers and
> drivers for your soundcard and you were all set, unless you wanted to
> play "Aces over Europe" of course, in which case you needed at least
> 605k of conventional memory.........oh never mind

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> http://www.theuspits.com
> http://www.teammirage.com

> "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
> --Groucho Marx--