rec.autos.simulators

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

daisykillb

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by daisykillb » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:34:06

I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche,
Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro.

     As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my
gear-*** has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM
that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling
S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2
Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack.
For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement.

     I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed.

     I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next
week,
the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!)
Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about
an OS
that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc.

     Opinions?

     Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb
or
1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the
temptation is great.

     Thanks for any info...

Dave Henri

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Dave Henri » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:54:34

  XP is the 'new and improved' win2k.  If your not impressed with XP, I
don't see what 2k would have to offer.  The Win98 variants can run up to
512mb of memory.  After that...bad news.
  Some sims like GPL will not run if you have more than 512mbs UNLESS you
create a ramdisk that uses up the extra ram or limit the vcache to 512 megs
in the system.ini or win.ini file(not sure which)  Other sims probably won't
notice it.   Most likely the ONLY advantage you'd gain in exceeding 512mb
using 2k or XP would be to get longer replays.  I think the performance
curve in Win98 starts flattening out after 196mb so while you can use more
memory, the actually gains will be smaller.  The 2k/Xp group most likely
would only begin to perform well if you have at least 512, but that is the
OS itself, actual sims may see little or no improvement with that much
memory.
  I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP
by using 2k?  Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why
it would be better.
dave henrie

Drag0

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Drag0 » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:24:31

I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case.   You're a gamer
running 98.
It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00.  It has
some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98, etc.
XP home edition was designed with *** support in mind.

Windows 2000 was designed for workstation applications, ie business, not
necessarily for ***.


WB

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by WB » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:25:26

2k has less bugs and is faster :P

I would try duel booting first though or something....
some games like viper racing have problems



>  XP is the 'new and improved' win2k.  If your not impressed with XP, I
>don't see what 2k would have to offer.  The Win98 variants can run up to
>512mb of memory.  After that...bad news.
>  Some sims like GPL will not run if you have more than 512mbs UNLESS you
>create a ramdisk that uses up the extra ram or limit the vcache to 512 megs
>in the system.ini or win.ini file(not sure which)  Other sims probably won't
>notice it.   Most likely the ONLY advantage you'd gain in exceeding 512mb
>using 2k or XP would be to get longer replays.  I think the performance
>curve in Win98 starts flattening out after 196mb so while you can use more
>memory, the actually gains will be smaller.  The 2k/Xp group most likely
>would only begin to perform well if you have at least 512, but that is the
>OS itself, actual sims may see little or no improvement with that much
>memory.
>  I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over XP
>by using 2k?  Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason why
>it would be better.
>dave henrie


>> I'm a fairly-happy Win98SE user for Rally2K, GPL, SCGT, NFS-Porsche,
>> Viper Racing, MB Truck Racing, Nascar 4 and MS Flight Sim 2000 Pro.

>>      As I'm building a new AMD 1600+/Abit KG7 DDR system, my
>> gear-*** has turned toward implementing more than the 256Mb RAM
>> that I used on my PIII/733 box. Also, my GeForce256 is feeling
>> S-L-O-W. So, I bought a Gainward GeForce2
>> Golden Sample Ti/500. I know it's no GF3, but hey, cut me some slack.
>> For $139 at newegg.com, It'll be an improvement.

>>      I guess that I could consider XP, but I haven't been impressed.

>>      I use an Act-Labs Force RS wheel/shifter, and by the end of next
>> week,
>> the new clutch system. (Finally got an email - preordered 5/25/01!)
>> Win98SE has served me fairly well, but I'm beginning to wonder about
>> an OS
>> that can use more memory. I also do digital video/audio, Divx, etc.

>>      Opinions?

>>      Is Win2K worth the upgrade? Can these driving sims utilize 512Mb
>> or
>> 1Gb RAM? Will I see better performance? With RAM so cheap, the
>> temptation is great.

>>      Thanks for any info...

Ryan

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Ryan » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:21:32


Let's see - none of the notorious product activation (which will more than
likely turn into a licensing scheme), none of the pervasive, hard-sell
requests to get a Microsoft Passport, and fewer of the leveraged
associations to Microsoft and its partners. XP is Microsoft's biggest
attempt yet to leverage it's OS *** into media and ecommerce of every
kind. Every time you shop over the Internet, buy music, access news, view
media, etc, Microsoft wants a fee. That's not about to happen yet, but it is
most certainly their plan.

As for 2k being poor with games, I haven't yet encountered any problems. I'm
sure there are one or two examples that exist, but I am happy to forego them
in order to avoid subjecting my wallet, privacy, etc. to Microsoft's
control. I won't even repeat their security track record.

The biggest joke is that they're advertising the product by hyping it's
features such as "sending pictures all around the world", CD burning, movie
editing - all stuff that can be handled (more than likely better) by
existing applications. Maybe they should advertise the product activation
"features", too - I'm sure that would have consumers thrilled.

Maybe this is all a bit too ***-theory-ish, but personally I don't
think it's very far off the mark. To cap it all, the OS isn't exactly cheap,
and the Home edition is crippled to prevent it from logging on to Win2k or
Professional networks. Basically, MS is doing everything to protect its
revenue stream, and actually very little (bar more bells and whistles) for
its consumers who have been loyally turning it into the one of the richest
companies in the world.

As for me, I am fully intending that Win2k is my last MS purchase, unless
they radically change their tack. Right now I am putting together a dual
boot system with Linux and will make every effort to run as much as possible
under Linux. Already there are office suites (e.g. OpenOffice), web
browsers, email clients, databases, development tools, etc. for Linux. Games
will be the very last applications that require MS's bloatware OS's. Maybe
I'll end up with a PS2 (or whatever it's successor will be) for games, and a
Linux machine for everything else . . .

Read CNET's coverage for more info:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Ryan

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Dave Ryerso

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Dave Ryerso » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:23:24



Yea, but will *all* my windows games run on XP? I don't care so much
about the dos games anymore. But, if XP will run all my windows games
then I will buy it.

MadDAW

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by MadDAW » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 20:28:37

I know alot of people that stay one OS behind. Their thinking is that is
that by the time Microsoft releases a new Os they final have the old one
running correctly. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it myself. I'll
probably go to XP after the first of the year myself. Getting a new video
card then so with XP licensing ***I don't want to upgrade until I'm maxed
out on my hardware.

MadDAWG

Dave Ryerso

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Dave Ryerso » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:24:57



TI/500 GF2?? TI means Titanium which I thought came only in the
Geforce3 flavour.

John Smit

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by John Smit » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:15:36

My bet is that more will run on XP then will ever run on 2000.




> >I'd say upgrading to XP would make more sense in your case.   You're a
gamer
> >running 98.
> >It's my understanding that XP will work with more games then Win00.  It
has
> >some nifty features to fool software into thinking it's running on 98,
etc.
> >XP home edition was designed with *** support in mind.

> Yea, but will *all* my windows games run on XP? I don't care so much
> about the dos games anymore. But, if XP will run all my windows games
> then I will buy it.

Andrew

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Andrew » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:37:01




> >   I am just confused tho as I stated above what you expect to gain over
XP
> > by using 2k?  Sorry I must be tired but I don't see any obvious reason
why
> > it would be better.

> Let's see - none of the notorious product activation (which will more than
> likely turn into a licensing scheme), none of the pervasive, hard-sell
> requests to get a Microsoft Passport, and fewer of the leveraged
> associations to Microsoft and its partners. XP is Microsoft's biggest
> attempt yet to leverage it's OS *** into media and ecommerce of
every
> kind. Every time you shop over the Internet, buy music, access news, view
> media, etc, Microsoft wants a fee. That's not about to happen yet, but it
is
> most certainly their plan.

If you have a fast internet connection you can purchase a copy of XP then
download the corporate version.  This does not have the activation code
inside it.  Or you could simply download the many cracks available to remove
the activation code.
Dave Ryerso

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Dave Ryerso » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:43:35



You dind't answer my question. :-)
I said *all*, not more.

Dave Ryerso

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Dave Ryerso » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:45:27



Yea, and if you crack it you will probably never be able to install
any security patches/service packs etc.

Ruud van Ga

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:48:18


>2k has less bugs and is faster :P

>I would try duel booting first though or something....
>some games like viper racing have problems

The 1.2.0.1 patch something works here on my Win2K.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim  : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
Pencil art    : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

Ruud van Ga

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:53:14

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:21:32 +0200, "Ryan"

...

In the movie of Bill Gates' (Microsoft's) history you hear Bill saying
'we have to get the people dependent on our software'. Everything I've
ever seen from Microsoft points in that direction.

...

I think, even hope, many people will feel the same. As Linux is
heading in a very good direction, it is already quite a viable
alternative. Especially with the way Microsoft is behaving. I'm also
hesitant to even try XP. It's really heading off into the wrong
direction. Which wouldn't be all bad if the system's design wasn't so
inefficient and selfcentered.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim  : http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Pencil art    : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

daisykillb

Now that WinXP is out, should I upgrade to Win2K?

by daisykillb » Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:21:05

I have to agree with Ryan. The activation-scheme is one of the things
that really turned me off about XP. What a hassle. I don't think MS
cares about what video card I'm using, but they seem to be testing the
waters for licensing. They have made this desire public. I don't plan
on paying a monthly fee for Windows.

So, maybe I'll buy full-blown copy of Win2K and hide until someone
decides to design a new OS. I'd do it myself, but frankly, I'm just
not that smart.

What's the difference between Win2K and Win2K Pro. Anything useful?


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