rec.autos.simulators

>   Thanks.

> -John

> > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > release in 2 weeks time.

> > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to build
> > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many sites
> > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > Glenn

> > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the Austrlain
> > tracks

> > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

>> I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

>> The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to build
>> a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many sites
>> available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
>> difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

>> CANT WAIT for this one!!!

>> Glenn

>> We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the Austrlain
>> tracks

>> Screenies link for those who missed it.

>> http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

>Yet another racing game that doesn't consider in-car important enough to
>provide a SINGLE in-car shot in their promotional package. Always makes me
>wonder. Ford Racing, anyone?

> >   Thanks.

> > -John

> > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to build
> > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many sites
> > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > Glenn

> > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the Austrlain
> > > tracks

> > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

> EA and Ubi did not develope their multiplay for their F1 games because
they
> aren't allowed to.

> Can they? Of course. It's just code, and it's hardly top secret
information.
> At the very least, they could simply hire someone who does know how to do
> it. Problem solved. I was playing POD by Ubi almost five years ago and it
> had great online play. TRI does excellent online play in their racing
games.

> If they were allowed, I'm sure Ubi and EA would do it but no amount of
> complaining here is going to help.

> BTW, I still see no evidence that online play translates to sales.

> David G Fisher

> >   This is the one based on the Sweedish Touring Car2 engine correct?
That
> > had multi, but certainly not anywhere near the level of  the Papyrus and
> > Monster Games Inc programs.   Has ANYONE figured out how to get more
than
> 6
> > cars in a field besides these two????
> > dave henrie


> > >   Haven't checked into this, but knowing EA, the multi will be
> > non-existent
> > > and/or lousy.  Any news on that end?

> > >   Thanks.

> > > -John

> > > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to
build
> > > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many sites
> > > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > > Glenn

> > > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the
Austrlain
> > > > tracks

> > > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

> EA and Ubi did not develope their multiplay for their F1 games because
they
> aren't allowed to.

> Can they? Of course. It's just code, and it's hardly top secret
information.
> At the very least, they could simply hire someone who does know how to do
> it. Problem solved. I was playing POD by Ubi almost five years ago and it
> had great online play. TRI does excellent online play in their racing
games.

> If they were allowed, I'm sure Ubi and EA would do it but no amount of
> complaining here is going to help.

> BTW, I still see no evidence that online play translates to sales.

> David G Fisher

> >   This is the one based on the Sweedish Touring Car2 engine correct?
That
> > had multi, but certainly not anywhere near the level of  the Papyrus and
> > Monster Games Inc programs.   Has ANYONE figured out how to get more
than
> 6
> > cars in a field besides these two????
> > dave henrie


> > >   Haven't checked into this, but knowing EA, the multi will be
> > non-existent
> > > and/or lousy.  Any news on that end?

> > >   Thanks.

> > > -John

> > > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to
build
> > > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many sites
> > > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > > Glenn

> > > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the
Austrlain
> > > > tracks

> > > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

>   Not for me........and again, it's not complaining, it's a preference  :)

> -John

> > You keep complaining about multi but are forgetting the facts.

> > EA and Ubi did not develope their multiplay for their F1 games because
> they
> > aren't allowed to.

> > Can they? Of course. It's just code, and it's hardly top secret
> information.
> > At the very least, they could simply hire someone who does know how to
do
> > it. Problem solved. I was playing POD by Ubi almost five years ago and
it
> > had great online play. TRI does excellent online play in their racing
> games.

> > If they were allowed, I'm sure Ubi and EA would do it but no amount of
> > complaining here is going to help.

> > BTW, I still see no evidence that online play translates to sales.

> > David G Fisher

> > >   This is the one based on the Sweedish Touring Car2 engine correct?
> That
> > > had multi, but certainly not anywhere near the level of  the Papyrus
and
> > > Monster Games Inc programs.   Has ANYONE figured out how to get more
> than
> > 6
> > > cars in a field besides these two????
> > > dave henrie


> > > >   Haven't checked into this, but knowing EA, the multi will be
> > > non-existent
> > > > and/or lousy.  Any news on that end?

> > > >   Thanks.

> > > > -John

> > > > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to
> build
> > > > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many
sites
> > > > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > > > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > > > Glenn

> > > > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the
> Austrlain
> > > > > tracks

> > > > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

>   I don't like vanilla ice cream either :)

> -John

> > You keep complaining about multi but are forgetting the facts.

> > EA and Ubi did not develope their multiplay for their F1 games because
> they
> > aren't allowed to.

> > Can they? Of course. It's just code, and it's hardly top secret
> information.
> > At the very least, they could simply hire someone who does know how to
do
> > it. Problem solved. I was playing POD by Ubi almost five years ago and
it
> > had great online play. TRI does excellent online play in their racing
> games.

> > If they were allowed, I'm sure Ubi and EA would do it but no amount of
> > complaining here is going to help.

> > BTW, I still see no evidence that online play translates to sales.

> > David G Fisher

> > >   This is the one based on the Sweedish Touring Car2 engine correct?
> That
> > > had multi, but certainly not anywhere near the level of  the Papyrus
and
> > > Monster Games Inc programs.   Has ANYONE figured out how to get more
> than
> > 6
> > > cars in a field besides these two????
> > > dave henrie


> > > >   Haven't checked into this, but knowing EA, the multi will be
> > > non-existent
> > > > and/or lousy.  Any news on that end?

> > > >   Thanks.

> > > > -John

> > > > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to
> build
> > > > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many
sites
> > > > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may become
> > > > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > > > Glenn

> > > > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the
> Austrlain
> > > > > tracks

> > > > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

> David G Fisher

> >   P.s.  I also never said anything about online play translates into
> sales.
> > It probably doesn't; big deal.

> >   I don't like vanilla ice cream either :)

> > -John

> > > You keep complaining about multi but are forgetting the facts.

> > > EA and Ubi did not develope their multiplay for their F1 games because
> > they
> > > aren't allowed to.

> > > Can they? Of course. It's just code, and it's hardly top secret
> > information.
> > > At the very least, they could simply hire someone who does know how to
> do
> > > it. Problem solved. I was playing POD by Ubi almost five years ago and
> it
> > > had great online play. TRI does excellent online play in their racing
> > games.

> > > If they were allowed, I'm sure Ubi and EA would do it but no amount of
> > > complaining here is going to help.

> > > BTW, I still see no evidence that online play translates to sales.

> > > David G Fisher

> > > >   This is the one based on the Sweedish Touring Car2 engine correct?
> > That
> > > > had multi, but certainly not anywhere near the level of  the Papyrus
> and
> > > > Monster Games Inc programs.   Has ANYONE figured out how to get more
> > than
> > > 6
> > > > cars in a field besides these two????
> > > > dave henrie


> > > > >   Haven't checked into this, but knowing EA, the multi will be
> > > > non-existent
> > > > > and/or lousy.  Any news on that end?

> > > > >   Thanks.

> > > > > -John

> > > > > > BHMS provided this link to the screenies. Apparentl its due for
> > > > > > release in 2 weeks time.

> > > > > > I think every bor racer in Australai will buy this one.

> > > > > > The link in the Ea website offers a full skin that allows you to
> > build
> > > > > > a web site for this sim. I think we are going to have so many
> sites
> > > > > > available for this sim that finding the right downloads may
become
> > > > > > difficult. Hopefully one may put its head up from the pack.

> > > > > > CANT WAIT for this one!!!

> > > > > > Glenn

> > > > > > We will now have professionally modelled circuits of all the
> > Austrlain
> > > > > > tracks

> > > > > > Screenies link for those who missed it.

> > > > > > http://www.rgonetwork.com/screenshots/v8challenge_pc.shtml

> > David G Fisher

> True the F1 titles are limited by licensing concerns.  But that says to me
> that all it takes is cash.  Here's my beef....we have ump*** different
> racing sims....But of the dozens of racing titles only   TWO companies can
> have upwards of 20 drivers per race and NO one else has stepped up.
ISI's
> first title SCGT had misreable multi...still does, and it seems they just
> ported that module into the F1 titles.
>   GP2,3,3000 didn't even have multi, even bad multiplayer.  This wasn't a
> licensing issue, it was bad coding.( I played a two player modem to modem
> World Circut session it seems like10 years ago...they have made no effort
to
> improve that.)  Perhaps with the multiplayer features announced in GP4 we
> will finally see a full field, but I rather doubt it. (I would love to be
> wrong!)
>   The few web pages that announce features of WSC seem to indicate that 8
> players will be the maximum...blech......
>   Think of all the microprose racers...4 to 6 is the average allowable.
> Wouldn't Motocross Madness 2 be amazing with 30 riders on a Supercross
> track?  We we ever see that?  (no FIA restrictions there)
> How many could race online in SBK 2001?  oops trick question NONE!
> HELL even AMA Superbike which was  'supposed' to be an online only game
> couldn't get more than a handful online at once.
> What other racing sims out there have multiplayer capability?  STCC2?
> limited #'s again,(and thus the new Aussie version most likely also){No
FIA
> restrictions on Sweedish Touring cars}  The F1 end-arounds like Monaco GP
> skipped the FIA licenses yet still can't get a decent mulitplayer going.
> How about all those Need for Speed titles?  Any decent packs there?
> Even the massive multiplayer online title doesn't have large packs of cars
> racing together does it?
>   The various Karting titles?  15 to 20 multiplayer?  Not that I've heard
> of.
> We'll give the Rallye titles a pass since most of Rallying is a solo type
> exercise.
>     The Toca Touring car licenses...I recall they do have an online
> community but it doesn't strike me as a large group online at once.(I
should
> dig into that to find out)
>   About the only other ones I can think of that made an EFFORT for online
> play are the Dirt Track Racer series and the original Interstate 76(did
that
> max out at 8?)
>   So yeah I'm ***ing and complaining.  Doom had 2 and then 4 player free
> for alls years and years ago.  Quake and all it's clones have 20 to 30+ on
> servers all over the world.  The Online airwarrior type flight sims have
> upto a hundred aircraft per arena.  Why then is sim-racing so hamstrung???
> If the FIA is controlling the lack of multiplayer in the F1 titles, why
> haven't the dozen or so other types of racing sims attempted to produce a
> more challenging online enviroment?  Why not even the arcade racers?  How
> many can run in the Screamers, and  the Jet Moto's of the world?
>   It's just a dang shame, a couple of companies have shown large fields
> work, yet the rest of the industry can't seem to figure it out.  Heck,
Since
> F1 fields are half the size of Nascar, it should be child's play.  I wait
> for the next round of titles and hope some progress is made.
> dave henrie