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N4 - LPI

Joachim Trens

N4 - LPI

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 05:03:42

I wonder how the LPI is calculated.

After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4 from
41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one spin
in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) the LPI
dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g>

Especially since most accidents I had in all previous races were caused by
intentional wreckers, grrrr... <g>

Achim

Rod Princ

N4 - LPI

by Rod Princ » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 06:23:46


says...

I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow
flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race)

I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been
in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that
has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start.

The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner,
a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me
into the wall.

I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original
incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be
penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one
on the way through and spin.

I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a
wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where
I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com)

Cheers,
Rod.

PHYDEAUX

N4 - LPI

by PHYDEAUX » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:06:49

So does anyone know the e-mail to send replays to????  I have a couple of a
known wrecker.....blatant as heck....

(Don't gimme NO***in E-mail)

Will_H#2

N4 - LPI

by Will_H#2 » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:54:13

You're lucky your CD key hasn't been banned, mine was and I'm in about the
same boat as you :-(
I always raced clean and sometimes you get caught up in others wrecks and
wind up losing LPIs.



> says...

> > I wonder how the LPI is calculated.

> > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4
from
> > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one
spin
> > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously) the
LPI
> > dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g>

> I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow
> flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race)

> I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been
> in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that
> has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start.

> The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner,
> a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me
> into the wall.

> I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original
> incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be
> penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one
> on the way through and spin.

> I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a
> wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where
> I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com)

> Cheers,
> Rod.

Mike G. Mai

N4 - LPI

by Mike G. Mai » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:59:44

not LOL


> You're lucky your CD key hasn't been banned, mine was and I'm in about the
> same boat as you :-(
> I always raced clean and sometimes you get caught up in others wrecks and
> wind up losing LPIs.




> > says...

> > > I wonder how the LPI is calculated.

> > > After doing two error-free 16 lappers at Indy, my LPI rose by 3 or 4
> from
> > > 41.something or 42.something to 45.1. After doing a 32-lapper with one
> spin
> > > in lap 11 (no one else involved and I continued the race, obviously)
the
> LPI
> > > dropped by 4 to 41.1. Unfair!! <g>

> > I understand it's an incident that would have brought out the yellow
> > flag (if yellow flags have been disabled in the race)

> > I've had about 5 pickup races and my LPI is 17.1. Every race I've been
> > in I've been either wrecked intentionally or collided with someone that
> > has been wrecked. I've even been taken out before the start.

> > The last race I had at Tally, last lap and leading on the last corner,
> > a backmarker was drafting me, went below the white line and spun me
> > into the wall.

> > I believe the LPI should be calculated if you were in the original
> > incident that would have caused a yellow. It's a little unfair to be
> > penalised if half the field has spun infront of you and you clip one
> > on the way through and spin.

> > I'm a very clean racer, but when they see my LPI they think I'm a
> > wrecker. Yet, I've never had a race where I've been taken out where
> > I wasn't the instigator. (at least a race on sierra.com)

> > Cheers,
> > Rod.

Joachim Trens

N4 - LPI

by Joachim Trens » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:31:32

Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !!
So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps
only increase it by one? :-)

Achim


GBB

N4 - LPI

by GBB » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:36:15

An 'incident' is counted as any situation involving your car that would
cause a yellow flag, so if you spin all on your own and it brings out or
would bring out a yellow if they are off it is counted as an 'incident'.
Then it's just: laps done / incidents.

Alex


Papp

N4 - LPI

by Papp » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:52:40

Hmmmm...I believe you meant "I've never had a race where I've been taken out
where I WAS the instigator"...not "wasn't".

Olav K. Malm

N4 - LPI

by Olav K. Malm » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:18:43


> Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !!
> So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps
> only increase it by one? :-)

Mathematics. It's calcultated by number of laps done divided by number
of incidents. With one more incident the number is falling more if you
have few incidents before that, but with many incidents it doesn't
fall much. Of course it's the other way too, that with few incidents
the lpi rises rapidly, but with many it's hard work. I think i got
some 40+ incidents now, most of them caused by wreckers and bad
drivers, and keeping the lpi over 30 requires a lot of laps.

What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that
after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us
have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now.

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Rod Princ

N4 - LPI

by Rod Princ » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:25:17



Oops, yes. Thanks for the correction. ;)

Cheers,
Rod.

Eldre

N4 - LPI

by Eldre » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:39:33



>Just to continue the story, just did 16 clean laps at Indy, LPI up by 1 !!
>So why does 32 laps with one accident reduce my LPI by 4, but 16 clean laps
>only increase it by one? :-)

>Achim

To provide a greater penalty for wrecking, so most people AVOID wrecks...?

Eldred
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Gerald Moo

N4 - LPI

by Gerald Moo » Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:14:16

Until they come up with a way to differentiate "incidents caused" and
"incidents suffered - for whatever reason besides your own stupidity",
I think it is a relatively meaningless statistic.

Olav does make an interesting point, though.  Since the ratings take
only your last 10 races or so, why shouldn't the LPI?  Perhaps it
should be an average, rather than an absolute number.  Theoretically,
someone could enter a server as a new driver, drive a 1/2 length race
where there are no incidents (say in a league or something) and have a
LPI of 100 or so.  Whereas the average driver who has driven hundreds
of laps on pick-up servers is probably down around 20 or so.
Meaningless.  With the risk of out profiles looking like the back of a
baseball card, we need more data...

It would be nice if the ratings were track-specific, too.  I know if
all I do is race SS's it steadily climbs, but a few races at someplace
like Richmond or Darlington where it is really hard to find a race
ranked other than 0-10, and it steadily tanks.

Gerald



> What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that
> after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us
> have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now.

Eldre

N4 - LPI

by Eldre » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:04:09


Isn't it true that your rating is also determined by your PERFORMANCE in the
races you enter?  How well you finish compared to the skill levels of the other
drivers racing, or something like that?  So even if I run a full-length race
and finish last, my skill rating will never go up even if I *never* hit
anything?  So, I guess I have to hope it goes like on VROC - people get pissed
and disco, and I move up that way...<G>

Eldred
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Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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Joachim Trens

N4 - LPI

by Joachim Trens » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:45:44

Hi Eldred,

Could be :-)

Achim

Thom j

N4 - LPI

by Thom j » Wed, 08 Aug 2001 04:02:21

Olav, What I think could also be an addendum to your suggestion
but it might be too hard for the N4 online Sierra.com? Is a kind of
a 'snap-shot' log type that could record the IC.. I now understand
[which I didn't before] that *Any* incident that would bring out a
Yellow is an 'IC' but it would be great to have a running log of all
the wrecks as some are by warps too. jmhi :) btw: warping seems
to becoming worse then wreckers lately?? I wonder if the band is
starting to be "over-crowded" or something?

| What I really want to see is a timestamp on the incidents, and that
| after so and so many laps, or weeks they get erased, since most of us
| have more incidents when we started racing but fewer now.
| --
| Olav K. Malmin

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