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Act Labs Performance Pedals review

Dave

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Dave » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:17:56

Just received my new pedals today,thought I'd give a quick review.

Looks:They look excellent. :-) Like they came from Momo.Super smooth
finish,zero burrs,machined aluminum. A+

Feel: Finally some pedals that feel substantial.Very progressive
resistance,with the throttle having a smooth,long throw,easy to
modulate and control wheelspin.The brake is much stiffer,with perfect
feel.It's progressive stiffness feels like a real car.Be prepared to
feel a little fatigue in your calves after a long race.The clutch
feels like the brake pedal,again excellent.
The spacing of the pedals is good,with the gas and brake close enough
to heel-toe effectively.The *** heel base will keep your feet from
sliding,it offers good grip. A

Use:So far I've tried GPL,N4, and Viper Racing.With these new
pedals,the immersion factor is taken to a new level.VR is a whole new
sim using the progressive clutch,something I hope more developers
start doing.I'm really surprised what Act Labs has done with these new
pedals.It's obvious they did some real homework before they settled on
the finished design,making the long wait well worth it!Way to go guys!

Dave K

Disclaimer:I don't work for Act Labs,nor do I know anyone who works
for them,and I'm not being paid for this review. ;-)

tsrf900

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by tsrf900 » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:22:24

I just got my set dropped on my door this morning as well.. I agree with
your comments 100%.. Simply the best set of pedals I have ever used... And
they can be used with ANY wheel.. Awesome...


Phillip Arche

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Phillip Arche » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:41:50


Where did you get them from?
                                  TIA..
                                 Phillip....

himrli..

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by himrli.. » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:45:32

Go here

http://www.act-labs.com/index.htm

and read all about all the neat gizmos from Act
Labs.  I have the Force RS and RS Shifter and love
'em.  Can't wait to get my pedals.  (They shipped
today!)

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:41:50 +1000, "Phillip




>> I just got my set dropped on my door this morning as well.. I agree with
>> your comments 100%.. Simply the best set of pedals I have ever used... And
>> they can be used with ANY wheel.. Awesome...

>Where did you get them from?
>                                  TIA..
>                                 Phillip....

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....
BRH

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by BRH » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:50:52

Do you have any idea how hard or easy it'll be to replace the pots when
the time comes?

I am "mechanically challenged".


> Just received my new pedals today,thought I'd give a quick review.

> Looks:They look excellent. :-) Like they came from Momo.Super smooth
> finish,zero burrs,machined aluminum. A+

> Feel: Finally some pedals that feel substantial.Very progressive
> resistance,with the throttle having a smooth,long throw,easy to
> modulate and control wheelspin.The brake is much stiffer,with perfect
> feel.It's progressive stiffness feels like a real car.Be prepared to
> feel a little fatigue in your calves after a long race.The clutch
> feels like the brake pedal,again excellent.
> The spacing of the pedals is good,with the gas and brake close enough
> to heel-toe effectively.The *** heel base will keep your feet from
> sliding,it offers good grip. A

> Use:So far I've tried GPL,N4, and Viper Racing.With these new
> pedals,the immersion factor is taken to a new level.VR is a whole new
> sim using the progressive clutch,something I hope more developers
> start doing.I'm really surprised what Act Labs has done with these new
> pedals.It's obvious they did some real homework before they settled on
> the finished design,making the long wait well worth it!Way to go guys!

> Dave K

> Disclaimer:I don't work for Act Labs,nor do I know anyone who works
> for them,and I'm not being paid for this review. ;-)

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Bert
George Majo

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by George Majo » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:24:41

Mine arent coming till Friday :(

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Michael R Sisso

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Michael R Sisso » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:59:09



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I just spent out on steel rims and snow tires for my car. Then got the
aluminium rims refinished. Then did a stupid impulse buy and bought a
60GB hard drive.

I am tapped out.

STOP TEASING ME. I want to buy, I want to buy, I want to buy.

I also want the Logi MOMO. (2 comps, time to maybe replace the original
Logi on comp #2)

And I want a new video card.

This computer will be the end of me.

Damn you Act-Labs, DAMN YOU!!!

MRSisson, who is thinking of taking up herion as a cheaper hobby.

P.S. Thanks for the review. No funnies or sarcasm.

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RUN

Tony Sant

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Tony Sant » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:32:57

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:59:09 GMT, Michael R Sisson




>> Just received my new pedals today,thought I'd give a quick review.

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>> Dave K

>I just spent out on steel rims and snow tires for my car. Then got the
>aluminium rims refinished. Then did a stupid impulse buy and bought a
>60GB hard drive.

>I am tapped out.

>STOP TEASING ME. I want to buy, I want to buy, I want to buy.

>I also want the Logi MOMO. (2 comps, time to maybe replace the original
>Logi on comp #2)

>And I want a new video card.

>This computer will be the end of me.

>Damn you Act-Labs, DAMN YOU!!!

>MRSisson, who is thinking of taking up herion as a cheaper hobby.

>P.S. Thanks for the review. No funnies or sarcasm.

What is MOMO?  I'm aware of the Logitech wheel using the name, I just
don't know what it means.

Tony

Dave Henri

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Dave Henri » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:03:39

 s This oughta answer a few of your questions
http://www.momo.it/
dave henrie
"Tony Sante" >
Dave

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Dave » Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:04:58


>Do you have any idea how hard or easy it'll be to replace the pots when
>the time comes?

>I am "mechanically challenged".

Sorry,I haven't opened them up yet,too much fun using them. ;-)
FD3S

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by FD3S » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:11:48

Got mine yesterday too!!  I just can't express how much I truely love
this new pedals!!  Now if only there a game that truely simulates the
clutch action and perhaps heel-toe would actually be in affect :)  Maybe
I'm dreaming, but I'm still hoping for a PC version of F355 challenge, I
meant dual mon setup, the AL wheel/shifter/clutch :D

> Just received my new pedals today,thought I'd give a quick review.

> Looks:They look excellent. :-) Like they came from Momo.Super smooth
> finish,zero burrs,machined aluminum. A+

> Feel: Finally some pedals that feel substantial.Very progressive
> resistance,with the throttle having a smooth,long throw,easy to
> modulate and control wheelspin.The brake is much stiffer,with perfect
> feel.It's progressive stiffness feels like a real car.Be prepared to
> feel a little fatigue in your calves after a long race.The clutch
> feels like the brake pedal,again excellent.
> The spacing of the pedals is good,with the gas and brake close enough
> to heel-toe effectively.The *** heel base will keep your feet from
> sliding,it offers good grip. A

> Use:So far I've tried GPL,N4, and Viper Racing.With these new
> pedals,the immersion factor is taken to a new level.VR is a whole new
> sim using the progressive clutch,something I hope more developers
> start doing.I'm really surprised what Act Labs has done with these new
> pedals.It's obvious they did some real homework before they settled on
> the finished design,making the long wait well worth it!Way to go guys!

> Dave K

> Disclaimer:I don't work for Act Labs,nor do I know anyone who works
> for them,and I'm not being paid for this review. ;-)

Andrew

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Andrew » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:40:06


Has anyone tried to heel-toe shift with these things?  I have a nice set of
pedals, clutch included, but they're not designed to heel-toe.  The offsets
between the gas and brake pedals is incorrect.   You should be able to roll
you foot from the brake to the accelerator while depressing the brake pedal.
Can this be done with the Act Lab pedals?

Dave

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Dave » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:46:40



Yes,it works perfectly.The ergonomics are right on.I've got about five
hours on them now,they're excellent. :-)

Dave K

Tom Pabs

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Tom Pabs » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:13:02

Sorry Dave K.....but I can't buy your enthusiasm for these pedals!

At $79 (USD) they are still plastic toys!  And, while they may be good for
entry level sim racing, and will probably give the TM NASCAR Pro Digital-2
pedals a run for their money, they are still a toy.  Most entry level sim
drivers still drive at a desk in an office chair.  These pedals clearly are
designed for use in a seated position ergonomically equivalent to that.  I
seriously doubt you can actually "heel n toe" with these pedals.  The pedal
throw and movement is not correct to do this except in some sort of a
"playing around" fashion.  Go to High Gear, look at the "overhead pedals"
video again (its in the News Archive) - tell me you can use that kind of
"heel n' toe" driving technique with these AL pedals - I'll eat my hat soon
after!

How about some sort of a seating position that resembles (ergonomically) a
real race car?  Can these pedals be used?  I doubt it.

Here's a test for you Dave:

Put a 4" phone book on the floor.  Sit on it.  Have a friend stand behind
you and lean back into his knees about 20 degrees.  Have another friend put
your AL pedals under your heels, and tell me you can depress all of the
pedals easily without hyper-extending your foot (which will give you shin
splints in about 5 laps).  You can't.  By the way, I've just described the
seating ergonomics of a Winston Cup race car (and most stock car and sports
cars I've measured).  WC cars and most stock cars have the driver's ***
about 4" above the heel plate at the pedals.

Want to test an ergonomic seating position for an open wheel race car?  Take
the phone book out from under your butt.  Have your friend behind you move
back a little and now lean back to about 40 degrees.  Leave the pedals under
your heels where they are.  Can you even press them at all?  Most open wheel
race cars have the driver's ***at equal height to the heel plate at the
foot pedals.

Want to test an F1 ergonomic seating position?  Take the phone book and put
it under the pedals, leave your ***on the floor and have your friend move
back a few more inches so you are now at about 60 degrees.  My guess is the
only way you could press those pedals is with your heels!  Most F1 cars have
the drivers ***approximately 4" below the heel plate at the pedals.

Come on!  Everyone gets e***d about getting something new.  I do to.  But
please, let's put these new AL pedals in perspective.  They are plastic toys
meant for mass consumption at the CompUSA's of the world!  Nothing more.  If
you want the realistic look and feel of real racing pedals and allowance for
sim driving in realistic ergonomic positions (with home built race frames or
professionally built frames and***pits) then you still need to have
something along the lines of the Red Line, TSW or BRD pedals.  These are all
steel and/or aluminum products and you can't reproduce that feel with
plastic in any way shape or form.

By the way, my hat's off to AL for "building a better mousetrap!"  I have a
set of these pedals coming too.  But I won't be using them for my personal
sim racing.  I want the real deal!  And, for $110 more, I get it - no
plastic!

BRD's new pedals system with adjustable gas-shock dampening on all three
pedals, side to side adjustment of the pedal face (on all three pedals) and
pedal shaft rake adjustment (on all three pedals), sealed ceramic "military
grade" potentiometers - will be out in 30-days!  If you think these AL
pedals are the "read deal" - think again!  By the way, with a***driver
and a small crescent wrench and 10 minutes, you can turn the BRD pedals
upside down and use them as overhead, stockcar/sportscar style pedals too!

Regards,

Tom P

Disclaimer:  I don't work for BRD.  But I do know all of the employees at
BRD who build their rigs, and all of the real-world race car drivers who
helped test them for BRD.  And, my reputation is on the line if I recommend
them since I'm going to be their USA Distributor.  So, I can't afford to
give out some giddy "these are my new pedals and aren't they cool" BS about
them.


Steve Blankenshi

Act Labs Performance Pedals review

by Steve Blankenshi » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:47:50

Sorry Tom.....but that was a bit over the top.  Act Labs are clearly going after a different price point (and market segment) than
BRD, and no doubt they will not be as chi-chi as something that costs twice as much (or more).  I don't have any AL stuff myself,
but it's well-regarded in its segment.  Besides, I'd wager it's probably going to the best set of $79 stand-alone pedals on the
market ;-), so it makes no sense to knock them.  Kinda like criticizing a Prelude for not being a 911 Carrera.  Both good, and both
what their makers intended them to be.  And speaking as a consumer, more sim goodies at ALL price points is a good thing; even for
BRD and its distributors.

Cheers,

SB


> Sorry Dave K.....but I can't buy your enthusiasm for these pedals!

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