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That's right!I have no financial stake invested,I'm not profiting in
any way,shape or form,just giving my opinion. ;-)
Actually,it was $60 .
What kind of hat is your favorite flavor? ;-)
Again,these are NOT designed to go into a real race car.They are
designed to be used by us average folks who don't own a $15,000 real
simulation***pit.I'm guessing that's about 99.2% of the market
place.
How many people at home use this setup?Again,Act Labs is not targeting
the "Professional" (?) sim racers that make up .008% of the
marketplace.
Again,they are not designed to go into a real race car.
Damn!You mean I can't retrofit them into my authentic Ferrari,Michael
Schumacher signature,professional sim racing***pit?I guess all my
hopes of one day racing against Schumacher are dashed. :(
Perspective?Like sitting stationary in front of a monitor?Like not
feeling any G forces?Like not risking any harm to yourself?

Great!If you find something that works for you,wonderful!I'm just
expressing my opinion.
No,the real deal exist outside,away from the computer.Having grown up
racing since the age of five,there's is no comparison between ANY form
of sim racing,and the real thing.Again,perspective?You're sitting
stationary in front of a monitor,on your ass,not feeling any G
forces,not risking anything.Instead of spending $6000 on sim racing
equipment,I'd rather go race my 125cc shifter kart.I guess I'm not a
"serious sim racer" then,oh well. ;-)
They sound very cool.I'm hope BRD does well with them.
Dave K
(not a professional sim racer)

But I do have perspective. :-)

All of those statements would tend to make one believe these were the only
pedals on the market that had these attributes.  Especially to somebody that
was new to sim racing (many of whom come to this newsgroup every day).
Clearly, Dave never has used any of the high-end, non-retail consumption
pedals made by ECCI, BRD, Red Line or others (which doesn't make him a bad
guy, just a little over-zealous with his praise and comparisons).  I was
simply trying to "balance" his statements about the new AL pedals with a
broader perspective....particularly for new sim drivers.  I also think the
fact that those pedals can not readily be used in anything other than an
upright "desk chair" sitting position is an important fact about them that
deserved airing.  Again, particularly for new sim drivers.

I also did not try to hide the fact that I do have (eventually) a financial
stake in the BRD pedals and controls.  That at least allows the reader an
opportunity to view my statements with his/her own dash of salt.  I could
have easily omitted that fact - and that would have been unfair (to both AL
and Dave).  And, I have stated in this newsgroup many times that the quality
of the sim racing products for entry level sim drivers is critical to this
"e-sport" having an opportunity to grow and expand.  So, on that point, I
think we clearly agree.

BRD will certainly get their fair share of the marketplace, based on the
merits of their product(s).  That is how it should be.  To the extent that
better entry level sim racing products will expand that marketplace, all of
us at BRD are grateful for the new AL pedals and applaud AL for their design
and price point.

I don't see how I was out of line, or "over the top" in trying to balance
Dave's statements with a broader perspective.  Maybe I could have done a
better job of it?

Regards,

Tom

after a different price point (and market segment) than
twice as much (or more).  I don't have any AL stuff myself,
going to the best set of $79 stand-alone pedals on the
Prelude for not being a 911 Carrera.  Both good, and both
sim goodies at ALL price points is a good thing; even for

By calling them "toys" you did just that...

MOMO are one of the leading manufacturers of aftermarket steering wheels.
They produce racing wheels for Ferrari F1 amongst many others.

Andy
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Tom you were a little over the top in your criticism.  The AL pedals may be
toys and may not be in the same league as the BRD pedals, but most of us
don't want anything more.  I share you enthusiasm for BRD products.  I
strongly considered purchasing one of their wheels a couple of years ago.
When I visited their web site earlier today I see that the exact same
products are available for purchase.  They still don't have a force feedback
wheel which they were developing and evaluating.  There is still no mention
of the new pedals on their web site.  It's the same two year old web site
with a new design.  Yes I've seen your movie of the the new pedals, but as
far as BRD goes.... Where the hell are they?  Much like the West brothers,
it's time to put up or shut up.  Act Labs has brought their product to
market, BRD has not.

I say so; but no biggie, Tom.  And anyway; having people on r.a.s. getting overzealous about their favored brand of NEW dedicated
sim pedals is a good sign (besides being less annoying than the usual vid-card/F1 game flame wars.)

Bring on the hardware, BAYBEE.....  ;-)

SB

Gerry

What the old ones? Come on, they really are crap.

Great pedals, I have a set. I did have to wait quite a long time for
them, but it was worth it. Have you tried them Tom?

What 'others'? TSW? Do you think you could sit on a phone book and
depress them without hyper extension of the foot?

And he did some 'comparisons' with what pedals? I don't think he
compared them with anything, did he? He just said how good he thought
they were.

What, by calling them plastic toys? Is a LWFF (the old one) a plastic
toy?

So the end user might need to put a wedge under them, is that a killer?

So new sim drivers are particularly bad at adjusting stuff to suit
themselves, are they?

No you couldn't have 'easily omitted that fact' because I for one would
have mentioned it for you if you had 'omitted' it.

Agreed, by law shops should only be allowed to sell ECCI and BRD.

I think their old stuff is crap. I was one of their first customers btw,
back in 96. Since then they've concentrated on high end***pits and sim
frames. The design of their old stuff was flawed 5 years ago and it
hasn't improve with age.  

But their just 'plastic toys', right?

Gerry

Tom,you really need to get over yourself.I simply posted a review of
my new $60 pedals.I did so knowing that MANY people here have them on
order and are anxiously awaiting them.I'm one of the first to receive
them,so I posted MY opinion so the people waiting for them would have
an idea of what they're like.THAT'S IT!Unlike you,I have NO financial
stake involved.I have no need to slam anyone's product,or put them
down because they have an opinion.And I don't compare products that
are not in the same price range.Something you apparently don't
understand.
Wrong again,Tom.Three years ago I bought a used ECCI unit.I had them
for just over a year before selling them.I paid WAY more for them used
than what I have with my entire AL setup.Guess what,Tom.I enjoy my
current setup more than the ECCI unit I owned.Too bad I'm not a
"serious sim racer" then.
That's the vast majority of us,Tom.Too bad you don't understand that.

I think your words speak for themselves.Perspective is something
you're clearly missing.
Cheers,

Dave K

Looking at the BRD site, it seems that their current pedals are
at about the same angles as most other PC gear.

And do you know why that is ok?  Because it isn't exactly rocket
science to tilt the base to achieve the correct angle when seated
low as in a real race car. I doubt there is some magic device
in the AL pedals making them stop working if you aren't using
them with the base 100% horizontal.

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Mats Lofkvist

Have you a link for the brd pedals as there is no info on there web site

Regards

Bob

Opens fine with Netscape here.

8-)

*Peter* -  http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

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I've had my TMFF on id#1 and T2 on id#2 and they work (ok poor test for
using a clutch, but it did work)

Jason.

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