Gary....
Yes, I do own a set of Red Line, floor stand, overhead, all aluminum pedals
and they are terrific - thanks to Nigel, he does a terrific job with these
pedals and anyone in the market for a new pedal system (in my opinion)
should seriously investigate purchasing Red Line pedals. His hand
craftsmanship is superior to all others I've seen (including BRD's current
hand-crafted pedals). I think Nigel's pedals are a "work of art" actually,
they are simply gorgeous.
Whether ECCI is available for retail public sale currently is not germane to
the topic. They were available in recent times and many sim racers have
them and use them right now, including last year's "LikeReal" NASCAR LAN
Champion in the Open Division, Mr. Allen Boyd.
BRD's "old pedals" are the reason they've designed new ones. However, in
the interim they have substantially upgraded the function and feel of their
old pedal system chassis.....and I believe there are several "fast guys" on
VROC right now that would challenge your evaluation! Pop into VROC anytime
and ask "Mac" what he thinks of the current BRD pedals. And, he owns both
Red Line and ECCI pedals as well. Ask him which one he races with when he
wants to win.
Finally Gary, when one makes a statement about something being "good or
bad".....it is assumed the person(s) is comparing the item to something else
they have tried, tasted or used. More often than not, the "something else"
is assumed and unstated. In a few cases, that's unfair to the "something
else." As in this case. If I say, "This tuna sandwich has the best taste!"
I don't think its necessary for me to follow that sentence with "Compared to
all the other tuna sandwiches I've eaten." Now, do I Gary? C'mon, man!
That's really "fishing" for something to criticize me about (no pun
intended....lol...).
I'm glad we've both managed to set ourselves up as self-appointed
"watchdogs" for newbies in the sim community! Somewhere between the two
extremes.......somewhere in the middle, they'll manage to get the straight
scoop and the truth.
That's great. What's our next topic for debate?
Regards,
Tom
> > Clearly, Dave never has used any of the high-end, non-retail consumption
> > pedals made by
> > ECCI,
> Not even available to the public last time I enquired.
> > BRD,
> What the old ones? Come on, they really are crap.
> > Red Line
> Great pedals, I have a set. I did have to wait quite a long time for
> them, but it was worth it. Have you tried them Tom?
> >or others
> What 'others'? TSW? Do you think you could sit on a phone book and
> depress them without hyper extension of the foot?
> >(which doesn't make him a bad
> > guy, just a little over-zealous with his praise and comparisons).
> And he did some 'comparisons' with what pedals? I don't think he
> compared them with anything, did he? He just said how good he thought
> they were.
> > I was
> > simply trying to "balance" his statements about the new AL pedals with a
> > broader perspective....particularly for new sim drivers.
> What, by calling them plastic toys? Is a LWFF (the old one) a plastic
> toy?
> > I also think the
> > fact that those pedals can not readily be used in anything other than an
> > upright "desk chair" sitting position is an important fact about them
that
> > deserved airing.
> So the end user might need to put a wedge under them, is that a killer?
> > Again, particularly for new sim drivers.
> So new sim drivers are particularly bad at adjusting stuff to suit
> themselves, are they?
> > I also did not try to hide the fact that I do have (eventually) a
financial
> > stake in the BRD pedals and controls. That at least allows the reader
an
> > opportunity to view my statements with his/her own dash of salt. I
could
> > have easily omitted that fact - and that would have been unfair (to both
AL
> > and Dave).
> No you couldn't have 'easily omitted that fact' because I for one would
> have mentioned it for you if you had 'omitted' it.
> > And, I have stated in this newsgroup many times that the quality
> > of the sim racing products for entry level sim drivers is critical to
this
> > "e-sport" having an opportunity to grow and expand. So, on that point,
I
> > think we clearly agree.
> Agreed, by law shops should only be allowed to sell ECCI and BRD.
> > BRD will certainly get their fair share of the marketplace, based on the
> > merits of their product(s).
> I think their old stuff is crap. I was one of their first customers btw,
> back in 96. Since then they've concentrated on high end***pits and sim
> frames. The design of their old stuff was flawed 5 years ago and it
> hasn't improve with age.
> > That is how it should be. To the extent that
> > better entry level sim racing products will expand that marketplace, all
of
> > us at BRD are grateful for the new AL pedals and applaud AL for their
design
> > and price point.
> But their just 'plastic toys', right?
> Gerry
