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by **Chris Poun** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:33:30

Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

by **For-Exampl** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:54:47

> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

Can't you remove it?

by **Phil** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:51:23

Agreed, Steam sucks!! Just got HL2 yesterday. It IS very cool!! The over
rated multi-player part will never be used by me though. Multi is the LEAST
important part of any game, IMO.

Phil

by **Mitch_** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:54:56

> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

As much as I hate Steam it isnt nearly as bad after a few levels of HL2.
Took me a few levels to get out my aggression over having to install steam
in the first place. Id be more pissed at myself if I didnt get HL2 because
of steam.

Starforce isnt nearly as offensive as Steam either.

Mitch
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by **JTS** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:22:48

> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

It's no big deal.

by **Chris Poun** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:04:03

You can remove Starfoce with a removal tool, as I have, but the next
time you go to play a Starforce protected game the hidden protection
drivers get reinstalled.

by **Darren Dunca** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:00:54

Never even noticed it on my system - it doesn't change anything or harm me
or my PC and if it means that good developers get some hard earned cash then
good for them.

Dags

by **Chris Poun** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:05:22

Some people have reported that Starforce screws up Nero somehow. I use
Nero.

by **Chris Poun** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:10:47

>It's no big deal.

It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
reported to***with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
put it bluntly - I'm just sick of these ***tards and their copy
protection schemes and they can go *** themselves.

by **Mitch_** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:36:04

>>Starforce isnt nearly as offensive as Steam either.

>>Mitch

> Some people have reported that Starforce screws up Nero somehow. I use
> Nero.

I also use Nero on my lone Win box. Version 6.6 Ultra. No issues on either
CD or DVD burner with Starforce. What exactly is your issue?

Mitch
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by **Pete Panai** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:36:11

>> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
>> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
>> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
>> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

> As much as I hate Steam it isnt nearly as bad after a few levels of HL2.
> Took me a few levels to get out my aggression over having to install steam
> in the first place. Id be more pissed at myself if I didnt get HL2
> because
> of steam.

> Starforce isnt nearly as offensive as Steam either.

Well put!
I feel pretty much the same. HL2 was about a click and a half away from
getting kicked to the curb!
My first 3 attempts at installing failed. After calling their tech support
(somewhere in India) and another failed install attempt they said that
I had to exchange my game for a new copy! >;(
I did finally get it to work, and the game is really great!!!
Steam is a REAL Pain in the Arse! It does have some benefits but should be
more of an elective process!

So far I have had no problems with the new GTR demo... *knocking on wood*
This new 'SPA at dusk' demo Rocks!
That 'Starforce' thing would need to be really BAD to stop me from canceling
my world release pre-order! >;)
I can't wait!!!

-- Pete

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti.

by **Todd Walke** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:14:13

> >It's no big deal.

> It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
> people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
> looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
> reported to***with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
> put it bluntly - I'm just sick of these ***tards and their copy
> protection schemes and they can go *** themselves.

Those "***tards" are only trying to protect their investment and make a
few bucks for their hard work. If it weren't for people stealing
software, it wouldn't be necessary. THEY are the real ***tards (I like
that word.)

The crackers are getting more and more clever so the developers have to
try to keep pace. Do you really think they like having to spend
development time working on copy protection schemes when they could be
putting those hours to work on the actual game?

What is it about what they are doing that makes you so angry? Please be
specific.

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by **Chad Roger** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:17:26

I tend to agree with the hackers and cheats comments. If people would just
pay for the stinking stuff we wouldn't have to worry about it.

>> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
>> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
>> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
>> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

> Never even noticed it on my system - it doesn't change anything or harm me
> or my PC and if it means that good developers get some hard earned cash
> then good for them.

> Dags

by **Jussi Koukk** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:26:46

> Because they are putting Starforce protection drivers in it. Even the
> freaking demo has Starforce in it. I didn't buy HL2 because of Steam
> and I certainly won't buy anymore games with Starforce after buying
> Toca2. I classify Starforce as a Trojan. Look it up.

Your loss.

GTR installer tells you that it will install StarForce. Classify that as
you may.

And to all Nero users: I use Nero too, no problems with StarForce there.
And if you do encounter troubles with it, contact StarForce tech
support. They can't fix what they don't know about. They're quite
helpful too.

by **Mr Q** » Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:57:13

Perhaps it's the assumption the publishers make that he's a thief.

These copy protection schemes only annoy legitimate customers - users of
pirate versions don't have to put with them.

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