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Damn, I won't be buying GTR afterall

d.dr..

Damn, I won't be buying GTR afterall

by d.dr.. » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:32:56

It stopped Word Perfect from continuing to support the amiga and
piracy did kill the Atari (my opinion and just to continue the thread)
;)

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:57:49 +1100, "Bruce Kennewell"


>Todd, piracy had stuff-all to do with the demise of the Amiga.

>Bruce.

Remco Moe

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by Remco Moe » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:50:21


Well....I remember I had to buy Diablo 2 for a second time because of
the play disk getting worn...

Since then I first try an "evalution" copy, and only if that works
I'll buy it.  

Cheers!

Remco

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:27:49


    From my experience this is just like all the paranoia surrounding FILSCA
ie it's a load of ***- fear of the unknown. I've had GTR for over a month.
Had a few teething probs geting the game to install but this was due to not
having the lastest starforce drivers. No problems since. I'm betting some
goose has stuffed up their system somehow, can't work out how, and has used
starforce as a scapegoat!

jwilson5

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by jwilson5 » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:52:29

Well after an install msmsgr quit workin,cant update or
reinstall,bootstrap setup error,msiexec.exe errors,so I doubt I'll be
buying it either lol






>>>>It's no big deal.

>>>It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
>>>people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
>>>looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
>>>reported to***with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
>>>put it bluntly -  I'm just sick of these ***tards and their copy
>>>protection schemes and they can go *** themselves.

>>Those "***tards" are only trying to protect their investment and make a
>>few bucks for their hard work. If it weren't for people stealing
>>software, it wouldn't be necessary. THEY are the real ***tards (I like
>>that word.)

> Yes, but they DO NOT STOP the theives. Software pirates get around
> the protection schemes. They only make life hard for paying customers.

>>The crackers are getting more and more clever so the developers have to
>>try to keep pace. Do you really think they like having to spend
>>development time working on copy protection schemes when they could be
>>putting those hours to work on the actual game?

>>What is it about what they are doing that makes you so angry? Please be
>>specific.

> See above. They punish the honest users in their utterly futile attempts
> to stop piracy.
> WS

>>_________________________
>>Todd Walker
>>_________________________

Uwe Schürkam

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by Uwe Schürkam » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:10:15


> It stopped Word Perfect from continuing to support the amiga and
> ;)

and me ;-) wordperfect was a shabby dos program back then, wasn't it?
Look where it got them ;-)

Cheers, uwe

bernard spilma

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by bernard spilma » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:57:15





> > >It's no big deal.

> > It is to me. I'm sick of these copy protection schemes screwing with
> > people's computers. Starforce is a hidden driver that can be found by
> > looking in device manager and showing hidden devices. It has been
> > reported to***with Nero cdrom burning software, which I use. To
> > put it bluntly -  I'm just sick of these ***tards and their copy
> > protection schemes and they can go *** themselves.

> Those "***tards" are only trying to protect their investment and make a
> few bucks for their hard work. If it weren't for people stealing
> software, it wouldn't be necessary. THEY are the real ***tards (I like
> that word.)

Yes, but they DO NOT STOP the theives. Software pirates get around
the protection schemes. They only make life hard for paying customers.

See above. They punish the honest users in their utterly futile attempts
to stop piracy.
WS

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Daru

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by Daru » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:26:13

I didn't say that you were. The quote "The hackers and pirates end up
laughing while the average Joe ends up not being able to even make a
backup copy." was attributed to 'B Wegner'. Perhaps you overlooked
that?


> I'm not using the "'backup copy' excuse".
> All I'm saying is that, if the legitimate purchase of GTR includes
Starforce
> copyright protection then I won't be making a legitimate purchase.
> And if I haven't got a legitimate copy, how can I make a backup?
> ......

> Now, where wuz that warez URL...........

> Cheers!
> Bruce



> .
> .... but I have never bought the "backup copy" excuse.

Byron Forbe

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by Byron Forbe » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:35:47




>>So what should the developers do?

> Whatever they do, at least don't use something which will sabotage
> other present programs, like Nero. I also remember I tried to update
> my legal copy of Operation Flashpoint, which didn't work. The reason
> was that the update installer found a CD writer on my PC, and just
> stopped updating OF without any message....

    So what are you saying Remco, that this starforce stuff can interfere
with CD/DVD drives and their software?
Uwe Schürkam

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by Uwe Schürkam » Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:09:01


> Todd, piracy had stuff-all to do with the demise of the Amiga.

> Bruce.

I had hoped somebody besides me would point that out. Thanks Bruce ;-)

"They should cane the little brown fscker" is a famous quote by who,
uttered when and where? ;-)

Cheers,

uwe

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Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 03:41:07


> From my experience this is just like all the paranoia surrounding FILSCA
> ie it's a load of ***- fear of the unknown. I've had GTR for over a
> month. Had a few teething probs geting the game to install but this was
> due to not having the lastest starforce drivers. No problems since.

The innocent victim though is the non technical or new to PC user who
wouldn't have a clue about downloading drivers. Not everyone will get past
the teething troubles. If it doesn't install out of the box it doesn't work.
The techies and the pirates won't find it a problem. PC compatibility issues
are great enough without adding to them. A danger is a segment of the market
will be driven to the simple to use consoles and that is where the major
development will go.
Daru

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by Daru » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:12:03

So you are saying that if GTR (which is hailed by many as the ULTIMATE
SIM TO DATE) doesn't install out of the box, then then the poor noobie
will go to consoles? Good.

Why would such a person even BUY a true sim like GTR, it isn't NFS
(i.e. an arcade racer) where you load the game, set the controls and
then off to the races. If they can't comprehend how to dload patches
and keep their rig up to date, then how is this poor soul going to
handle complex setups for GTR and be able to use MOTEC?

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:40:40


> If a relatively insignificant thing like Starforce causes you to miss out on
> a piece of sim history then you need to get your priorities right.  Some
> people pretend to have such high m***fibre and yet they're really just
> scared of the unknown and are too lazy to try to understand it.

And some people actually HAVE high m***fibre, and are extremely
concerned about the potential "mission creep" of such unnecessary software.

As we all know, if you were going to buy this game/sim, this will make
no difference. For those who were going pirate it, likewise, this will
make no difference. It will however install yet more unnecessary
arbitrary clutter onto a Windows machine, and let's face it, THAT is
just asking for trouble :-)

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:44:02


> In the early 90s I used a Commodore Amiga. I was FAR superior to
> anything in the PC world at the time, and the PC didn't catch up until
> the late 90s. The Amiga should be a force in the market today but it's
> not. Why? Two reasons: 1. the idiots who ran Commodore; 2. software
> piracy. Most Amiga games were'nt copy protected and piracy was rampant
> in the Amiga community.

I was also heavily into Amiga, and remember it being heavily
copy-protected. Trouble was, as today, the "scene" cracks everything and
distributes it. I really can't see that changing, and anti-piracy
actions will stop the same miniscule percentage of pirates now as they
did then, and confusticate the same proportion of legitimate owners.

John

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:42:06

Er... in which way do understanding vehicle setups and the ability to use
MOTEC relate to being computer savvy?

A lot of people's jobs/hobbies involve a complex subjectmatter and require
them to be intelligent, but only a small portion of them is computer savvy.

As our hobby is essentially computer related, those who persevere with it
will pick up the nescessary skills as they go along(*), but I also think
it's important to not scare away that first time user. I'd rather resort to
my bark/bite if he/she turns out to be a PITA, than have them quit from the
off.

Jan.
=---
(*)Rem.: I didn't know much about computers when I started out. Luckily,
Crammond's GP1 worked out of the box. ;-)

John Wallac

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by John Wallac » Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:47:28


> So you are saying that if GTR (which is hailed by many as the ULTIMATE
> SIM TO DATE) doesn't install out of the box, then then the poor noobie
> will go to consoles? Good.

> Why would such a person even BUY a true sim like GTR, it isn't NFS
> (i.e. an arcade racer) where you load the game, set the controls and
> then off to the races. If they can't comprehend how to dload patches
> and keep their rig up to date, then how is this poor soul going to
> handle complex setups for GTR and be able to use MOTEC?

Darus, believe it or not, you were a poor noobie once upon a time, as
was everyone here.

(Actually my wife may reckon it would be better if I had switched over
to a console, as she's watched me at Grand Prix, ICR, GPL etc etc over
the years!)


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