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Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

scott bana

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by scott bana » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:42:53

Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations?
Old Red is getting tired and may need replacement.

thanks
sb

Ken MacKa

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Ken MacKa » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:10:38

 > Has anyone had all three (or 2 of 3)? If so...any recomendations? Old Red is
 > getting tired and may need replacement.
 >
 > thanks sb
 >

Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and
the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little
jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with
about 10 times the resolution.  Really a shame as otherwise it was a good
consumer wheel.

Ever consider rebuilding Old red? There used to be a bearing kit available,
don't remember who sold it but should be easy enough to track down with google.

Ken

MadDAW

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by MadDAW » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 04:24:53


2 out of three count?

If you like the LWFF then the MOMO is the logical step.  Thats what I did
and there isn't a major differance other than the build quality of the MOMO.
However I just recently picked up the Microsoft FF wheel for cheap that has
been discontinued, and I wish I had done it much sooner.  I can actually
slow for a corner without getting ran over from behind or lock up the tires.
I also prefer the forced of the MSFF over the logi products, but YMMV.

MadDAWG

Bob

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Bob » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:29:10

I've had the Old Red and then went to the MOMO.  I recently have gone back
to the Old Red since installing Jens Schumi's ball bearing conversion that I
think Ken was referring to.

http://jensschumi.bravepages.com/LogiCorner.htm

--Bob


Mr Tuvo

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Mr Tuvo » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:04:25

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:10:38 GMT, Ken MacKay


>Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and
>the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little
>jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with
>about 10 times the resolution.  Really a shame as otherwise it was a good
>consumer wheel.

So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great
reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel,
though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change
this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my
broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a
wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away.
I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow.  
Kendt Eklu

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Kendt Eklu » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:44:58


> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:10:38 GMT, Ken MacKay

> >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and
> >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little
> >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with
> >about 10 times the resolution.  Really a shame as otherwise it was a good
> >consumer wheel.

> So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great
> reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel,
> though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change
> this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my
> broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a
> wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away.
> I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow.

I'd be curious to know that as well - I'm worried about the day my
trusty AL wheel gives up the ghost (still going string, though - had
to re-build the switching springs in the shifter, though).
Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics?  As word
gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast
community, and everywhere else, eventually.

Kendt

Mr Tuvo

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Mr Tuvo » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:11:43



I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they
weren't aware of this before--they are now!

Robert Grave

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Robert Grave » Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:38:21

Don't know about the Act Labs.

I had the old red, switched to the plastic MOMO. Wheel was great for 2 weeks
(I had 2 of them) but right paddle went and slack developped in the
streering.

Finally went for the leather MOMO and its the best of the three IMO. Solid
feel of the original red, with better shifters that have this nice tactile
feel.

Good luck


Mr Tuvo

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Mr Tuvo » Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:46:50




>>> >Stay away from new actlabs. They changed the electronics a couple years back and
>>> >the steering is very stepped. Bad enough that the in-car wheel moves in little
>>> >jumps when you turn the wheel slowly. The older versions were very smooth with
>>> >about 10 times the resolution.  Really a shame as otherwise it was a good
>>> >consumer wheel.

>>> So I have just discovered. I just bought a new one due to the great
>>> reviews I read. They obviously were for the older models. Nice wheel,
>>> though. Too bad the steering is not happening. Any way I can change
>>> this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one? At least my
>>> broken Microsoft FF wheel was fun to drive with. This is like a
>>> wrestling match. I'd send it back but I stupidly threw the box away.
>>> I'm going out to buy a Momo tomorrow.

>>I'd be curious to know that as well - I'm worried about the day my
>>trusty AL wheel gives up the ghost (still going string, though - had
>>to re-build the switching springs in the shifter, though).
>>Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics?  As word
>>gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast
>>community, and everywhere else, eventually.

>>Kendt

>I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they
>weren't aware of this before--they are now!

I just bought a used red Momo on Ebay. I hope it works.
Ken Macka

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Ken Macka » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:15:01

Afraid the 2.1 aren't available from AL anymore, at least they wouldn't
sell me one about a year ago. Was lucky enough to find a used 2.1
cartridge on ebay.  They were at one point offering a rebate for people
wanting to upgrade from serial to USB but that's been discontinued for
some time.

They've been aware of it for some time no but they don't exactly
advertise this new "feature".  It really is a shame as they have great
customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts
available past the warraunty.

Ken

Ken Macka

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Ken Macka » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:17:14

 >
 >
 >>> Any way I can change
 >>>this by replacing that cartridge deal for an older one?
 >>>
Afraid the 2.1 aren't available from AL anymore, at least they wouldn't
sell me one about a year ago. Was lucky enough to find a used 2.1
cartridge on ebay.  They were at one point offering a rebate for people
wanting to upgrade from serial to USB but that's been discontinued for
some time.

 >>Is anyone complaining to AL about the new wheel electronics?  As word
 >>gets around I expect this is going to *kill* them in the enthusiast
 >>community, and everywhere else, eventually.
 >>
 >>
 >I just posted this entire thread on the Act Labs forum. If they
 >weren't aware of this before--they are now!
 >
 >
They've been aware of it for some time now but they don't exactly
advertise this new "feature".  It really is a shame as they have great
customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts
available past the warranty.

Ken

Ken Macka

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Ken Macka » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:25:42

I should have a box around here somewhere. Drop me an email (remove the
NOSPAM)

Ken

Mitch_

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Mitch_ » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:17:55

I guess you were lucky then.  Ive had the AL Perf pedals for a little
over a year and Ive had to replace springs 8-9 times already.  I called
for a handful of springs (seeing how its their design that causes the
springs to break) and they would only send me one gas and one brake
spring.  Ill use those up this month.  These pedals are just as bad as
my original T1 at breaking springs and AL could care less.  What ever
happened to Raymond?

Mitch


> It really is a shame as they have great
> customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts
> available past the warranty.

> Ken

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AD

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by AD » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:30:36

I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the springs
for much better made ones from local sources.

There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in great detail
with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and I did
this for him).
This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it from the
factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;))

AD


> I guess you were lucky then.  Ive had the AL Perf pedals for a little
> over a year and Ive had to replace springs 8-9 times already.  I called
> for a handful of springs (seeing how its their design that causes the
> springs to break) and they would only send me one gas and one brake
> spring.  Ill use those up this month.  These pedals are just as bad as
> my original T1 at breaking springs and AL could care less.  What ever
> happened to Raymond?

> Mitch


> > It really is a shame as they have great
> > customer support, and one of the few companies to make replacement parts
> > available past the warranty.

> > Ken

> --
> <<<--- Posted using Mozilla for Linux x86 --->>>

Mitch_

Momo v. Act LAbs v. Old Red

by Mitch_ » Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:49:30

Well known?  I musta missed that thread ;)

Well I just got off the phone with Act Labs and they want me to buy
replacment springs.  I'm sure not going to send that company a single
red cent EVER again so I'll have to hit my local Orchard Supply for some
parts.

Do you know the URL of the site you mention?


> I can't see your problem....it is well known that you can swap the springs
> for much better made ones from local sources.

> There is also the superb website by GTXSlot that explains in great detail
> with diagrams and photos how to uprate the pedals (my best mate and I did
> this for him).
> This is such a great uprate for little money that AL should do it from the
> factory and pay GTX a nice little royalty amount ;))

> AD

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