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by **Todd Walke** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:57:32

My cheapy Logitech Wingman GP died yesterday so I am in the market for a
new force feedback wheel. I think I have decided on either the Logitech
Momo or the Act Labs Force RS. Any opinions one way or the other?

Thanks,
Todd

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by **Larr** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:31:13

Frankly, I'd get the USB MSFFW. (Do NOT get the GamePort version).

For the cost ($99) I think it's the best consumer grade FF wheel value there
is out there.

They are damned-near bullet proof. Very few of us with them have had any
problems whatsoever.

It uses optical encoders, so there is no Windows Calibration and I've
personally never heard of anyone having a pot go bad. I suspect it's
happened to _someone_, though.

Mine is 2 years old and shows zero signs of wear. It works as good as the
day it came out of the box.

The MSFFW pedals are the best there is in this class of wheel. Angled
properly, they stay put, and comfortable for long runs.

The Momo Pedals are, um, terrible.

The profiling software has needed updating for years, but it's functional
and gets the job done.

JMHO.

-Larry

by **Todd Walke** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:38:55

says...

Thanks a bunch for the advice Larry. I haven't really looked into the FF
wheels a lot but my main concern is reliability. I wasn't sure how the
MS wheels stacked up in this department but I have to admit -- I have 3
MS mice, 2 MS keyboards, a Sidewinder gamepad, and a Sidewinder FF
joystick and I have never had the first minute's trouble with any of
them.

I appreciate the response.

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by **Larr** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:55:43

The durability of the MSFFW is definitely a strong point.

-Larry

> says...
> > Frankly, I'd get the USB MSFFW. (Do NOT get the GamePort version).

> > For the cost ($99) I think it's the best consumer grade FF wheel value
there
> > is out there.

> Thanks a bunch for the advice Larry. I haven't really looked into the FF
> wheels a lot but my main concern is reliability. I wasn't sure how the
> MS wheels stacked up in this department but I have to admit -- I have 3
> MS mice, 2 MS keyboards, a Sidewinder gamepad, and a Sidewinder FF
> joystick and I have never had the first minute's trouble with any of
> them.

> I appreciate the response.

> --
> ________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://twalker.d2g.com
> ________________________

by **Dan Leac** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:58:42

Get the momo ...my act labs just died and i was very happy to replace it
with the great momo. Its a lot nicer than the act labs.
dan

by **JTBur** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:51:10

I agree with Dan. I really liked my ActLabs FF wheel, but when it died I
too replaced it with a Momo. And I like the Momo even better.

Todd

> Get the momo ...my act labs just died and i was very happy to replace it
> with the great momo. Its a lot nicer than the act labs.
> dan

> > My cheapy Logitech Wingman GP died yesterday so I am in the market for a
> > new force feedback wheel. I think I have decided on either the Logitech
> > Momo or the Act Labs Force RS. Any opinions one way or the other?

> > Thanks,
> > Todd

> > --
> > ________________________
> > Todd Walker
> > http://twalker.d2g.com
> > ________________________

by **Gerry Aitke** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:58:20

> My cheapy Logitech Wingman GP died yesterday so I am in the market for a
> new force feedback wheel. I think I have decided on either the Logitech
> Momo or the Act Labs Force RS. Any opinions one way or the other?

Get the Momo.

Gerry

by **Andre** » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:17:18

Do what Dooglas did and get the Momo,dump the pedals in a skip and replace
them with the BRD Speed 7 pedals.

Leaving you a very happy camper......

Andy

by **Larr** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:54:24

Make SURE you try the pedals first. They are pretty bad.

The wheel is great. The pedals are terrible.

That's why my Momo is on the shelf, and my 2 year old MSFFW is back on the
desk.

-Larry

> Get the momo ...my act labs just died and i was very happy to replace it
> with the great momo. Its a lot nicer than the act labs.
> dan

> > My cheapy Logitech Wingman GP died yesterday so I am in the market for a
> > new force feedback wheel. I think I have decided on either the Logitech
> > Momo or the Act Labs Force RS. Any opinions one way or the other?

> > Thanks,
> > Todd

> > --
> > ________________________
> > Todd Walker
> > http://twalker.d2g.com
> > ________________________

by **Todd Walke** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:02:49

says...

I ordered my MSFFW this morning. Should be here Wednesday. Thanks for
the advice Larry :-)

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by **Medak** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:50:47

Get the MS wheel. The Momo isn't that much better than the GP wheel,
and you will have to deal with the wheel/pedal spiking that will
happen due to the pots getting dirty/worn. I threw my Momo out after
having to deal with that and the pedal problem as well. (pedal's on
the GP wheel are actually better...except for the plastic that breaks
too easily on the gp)

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:51:00

Just a word of caution. Since the MSFF uses optics instead of pots for the
steering, it's resolution is not as high as the other wheels. This means
that the steering precision won't be as good and that effects your lap
times. There's a reason why BRD, TSW and ECCI, expensive wheels, use high
quality pots instead of optics. Optics start out having a higher resolution,
but in a *** device they suffer from jitters. By the time the jitters are
calmed, the resolution reported to the computer is much lower than a
potentiometer. You may not feel the difference in resolution while racing,
but it certainly will show up in your lap times; especially for faster sim
racers.

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> says...
> > Make SURE you try the pedals first. They are pretty bad.

> > The wheel is great. The pedals are terrible.

> > That's why my Momo is on the shelf, and my 2 year old MSFFW is back on
the
> > desk.

> > -Larry

> I ordered my MSFFW this morning. Should be here Wednesday. Thanks for
> the advice Larry :-)

> --
> ________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> ________________________

by **Todd Walke** » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:05:59

Thanks for the advice. Luckily, I am not one of the faster sim racers
;-)

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by **Larr** » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:44:12

Anytime. I can't help but think you'll be very happy with it.

When you install the software under 2K or XP, the installer may complain
that it's for Win98 only, and isn't for 2K/XP. Ignore that and install
anyway.

Microsoft gave the software WHQL certification for XP in this condition,
which is truly bizarre but comforting :)

-Larry

> says...
> > Make SURE you try the pedals first. They are pretty bad.

> > The wheel is great. The pedals are terrible.

> > That's why my Momo is on the shelf, and my 2 year old MSFFW is back on
the
> > desk.

> > -Larry

> I ordered my MSFFW this morning. Should be here Wednesday. Thanks for
> the advice Larry :-)

> --
> ________________________
> Todd Walker
> http://twalker.d2g.com
> ________________________

by **Larr** » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:45:29

It has NEVER affected my lap times.

It has 512 steps resolution for steering, and 64 steps resolution for
throttle/brake. I've never found this to be a problem.

IMHO, this is one of those 'red-herring' things.

-Larry

> Just a word of caution. Since the MSFF uses optics instead of pots for the
> steering, it's resolution is not as high as the other wheels. This means
> that the steering precision won't be as good and that effects your lap
> times. There's a reason why BRD, TSW and ECCI, expensive wheels, use high
> quality pots instead of optics. Optics start out having a higher
resolution,
> but in a *** device they suffer from jitters. By the time the jitters
are
> calmed, the resolution reported to the computer is much lower than a
> potentiometer. You may not feel the difference in resolution while racing,
> but it certainly will show up in your lap times; especially for faster sim
> racers.

> --
> Slot

> Tweaks & Reviews
> www.slottweak.com

> > says...
> > > Make SURE you try the pedals first. They are pretty bad.

> > > The wheel is great. The pedals are terrible.

> > > That's why my Momo is on the shelf, and my 2 year old MSFFW is back on
> the
> > > desk.

> > > -Larry

> > I ordered my MSFFW this morning. Should be here Wednesday. Thanks for
> > the advice Larry :-)

> > --
> > ________________________
> > Todd Walker
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > ________________________

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