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Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

Gerry Aitke

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Gerry Aitke » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:32:34


> It has NEVER affected my lap times.

> It has 512 steps resolution for steering, and 64 steps resolution for
> throttle/brake.  I've never found this to be a problem.

> IMHO, this is one of those 'red-herring' things.

Agreed. You only have to look at who's saying it: TSW, ECCI and BRD. All
three say stupid things about FF too.

Gerry

GTX_SlotCa

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by GTX_SlotCa » Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:16:53

That's 512 extrapolated in software. Totally different. Any driver can  do
that, and some games report it differently. I have several wheels. I like
the LWFF because it's smooth, but I hardly use it in serious racing because
it's not so hot on resolution, either. The new logi wheel (not the momo)
feels cheap to me, but it's steering precision is actually better. Still, I
prefer using the LWFF. Most of the newer designed wheels will have better
resolution.
I'm not saying the MSFF is a bad wheel. It's dependable and the pedals are
decent. It may be just the ticket for someone. I run each new game with
several wheels for a couple weeks. My lap times are consistent with each
wheel, but those times vary from wheel to wheel. The MSFF is an older
design. It has it's good points, but nobody has rushed out to copy it. IMHO,
I'd recommend it for someone who wants trouble free arcade racing, or to a
kid. But, I'm sincerely glad that you're happy with yours. Personally, I
don't have one favorite wheel.

The FF issue with the TSW, ECCI and BRD is a totally different story. Those
companies could easily afford, and engineer, the optics if they wanted to
(it's cheaper).


> It has NEVER affected my lap times.

> It has 512 steps resolution for steering, and 64 steps resolution for
> throttle/brake.  I've never found this to be a problem.

> IMHO, this is one of those 'red-herring' things.

> -Larry



> > Just a word of caution. Since the MSFF uses optics instead of pots for
the
> > steering, it's resolution is not as high as the other wheels. This means
> > that the steering precision won't be as good and that effects your lap
> > times. There's a reason why BRD, TSW and ECCI, expensive wheels, use
high
> > quality pots instead of optics. Optics start out having a higher
> resolution,
> > but in a *** device they suffer from jitters. By the time the jitters
> are
> > calmed, the resolution reported to the computer is much lower than a
> > potentiometer. You may not feel the difference in resolution while
racing,
> > but it certainly will show up in your lap times; especially for faster
sim
> > racers.

> > --
> > Slot

> > Tweaks & Reviews
> > www.slottweak.com




> > > says...
> > > > Make SURE you try the pedals first.  They are pretty bad.

> > > > The wheel is great.  The pedals are terrible.

> > > > That's why my Momo is on the shelf, and my 2 year old MSFFW is back
on
> > the
> > > > desk.

> > > > -Larry

> > > I ordered my MSFFW this morning. Should be here Wednesday. Thanks for
> > > the advice Larry :-)

> > > --
> > > ________________________
> > > Todd Walker
> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > ________________________

Gart

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Gart » Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:54:20

Only the steering on the MS wheel is optical, the pedals use regular pots.
Since I have never used any wheel other than the sidewinder, I have no way
of knowing how it compares to other wheels.  I do know that I have never
been able to get a totally satisfactory setup with GPL that eliminates the
"notchiness" and "jerkiness" from the FF which can certainly mess you up
sometimes.  Beware the rich history of broken pedal springs with the
sidewinder, though not clear yet whether these are any better with the newer
USB wheels.  And the *** covering on the new wheels will eventually tear
and detach from the wheel... mine is taped up with duct tape now after both
sides developed large rips in them.

I am really tempted to buy the act labs setup, but keep hearing all these
stories about broken parts with them....

On the plus side for the sidewinder, the ergonomics of the wheel are
excellent as are the number and layout of the buttons.

-Garth

Larr

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Larr » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:10:53

Rich history with broken spring pedals?

Never heard of it, never experienced it.  Maybe I shouldn't say that, though
:)

Two + years and no failures whatsoever.

-Larry


Larr

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Larr » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:10:53

I don't care if it's extrapolated in software or not, though I'd like to see
your reference for this.

It works FINE.  There are NO issues with this.  It is a RED HERRING.

And many agree that the pedals are the best you can get with a consumer
grade wheel.  They are even better than the so-called Act-Labs Pro Pedals.

-Larry


> That's 512 extrapolated in software. Totally different. Any driver can  do
> that, and some games report it differently. I have several wheels. I like
> the LWFF because it's smooth, but I hardly use it in serious racing
because
> it's not so hot on resolution, either. The new logi wheel (not the momo)
> feels cheap to me, but it's steering precision is actually better. Still,
I
> prefer using the LWFF. Most of the newer designed wheels will have better
> resolution.
> I'm not saying the MSFF is a bad wheel. It's dependable and the pedals are
> decent. It may be just the ticket for someone. I run each new game with
> several wheels for a couple weeks. My lap times are consistent with each
> wheel, but those times vary from wheel to wheel. The MSFF is an older
> design. It has it's good points, but nobody has rushed out to copy it.
IMHO,
> I'd recommend it for someone who wants trouble free arcade racing, or to a
> kid. But, I'm sincerely glad that you're happy with yours. Personally, I
> don't have one favorite wheel.

> The FF issue with the TSW, ECCI and BRD is a totally different story.
Those
> companies could easily afford, and engineer, the optics if they wanted to
> (it's cheaper).



> > It has NEVER affected my lap times.

> > It has 512 steps resolution for steering, and 64 steps resolution for
> > throttle/brake.  I've never found this to be a problem.

> > IMHO, this is one of those 'red-herring' things.

> > -Larry



> > > Just a word of caution. Since the MSFF uses optics instead of pots for
> the
> > > steering, it's resolution is not as high as the other wheels. This
means
> > > that the steering precision won't be as good and that effects your lap
> > > times. There's a reason why BRD, TSW and ECCI, expensive wheels, use
> high
> > > quality pots instead of optics. Optics start out having a higher
> > resolution,
> > > but in a *** device they suffer from jitters. By the time the
jitters
> > are
> > > calmed, the resolution reported to the computer is much lower than a
> > > potentiometer. You may not feel the difference in resolution while
> racing,
> > > but it certainly will show up in your lap times; especially for faster
> sim
> > > racers.

> > > --
> > > Slot

> > > Tweaks & Reviews
> > > www.slottweak.com






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Larr

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Larr » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 03:10:54

Zero wear on the wheel as well.

You shouldn't drive with your Teeth.  It will last longer :)

-Larry


Gerry Aitke

Act Labs Force RS or Logitech Momo?

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:53:27


> > It has 512 steps resolution for steering, and 64 steps resolution for
> > throttle/brake.  I've never found this to be a problem.
> IMHO, this is one of those 'red-herring' things.

Agreed.

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