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>Just got to jump in, here.....technically, we DON'T say 'no passing til
>backstraight', but 'no CHANGING LANE to pass before the back straight'. We
>run this rule in conjunction with another rule, that says that you
>(basically) can't jump a re-start. You have to remain at pace lap speed on a
>re-start, not hang back and get an advantage. Therefore, with all cars
>running at the same speed into T1, it's logical for me/us to say that you
>may not change lane to make a pass until the back straight. Some who haven't
>tried it are against the idea, but we've run this for three seasons and
>NEVER have re-start problems - there are plenty of guys who read r.a.s and
>are also FFRL entrants who will attest.

> >I think it came out better than expected because we were 1)Ready for it
due
> >to the pre-race discussions and 2)The actual online FAST setup was
totally
> >different than the Offline FAST setup.  Why I don't know, but it was a
good
> >thing :)

> The only thing that was changed was the tape - from 45% to 40%.  If it
made
> THAT big of a difference in the feel of the car, *I* sure couldn't feel
it...

> Eldred
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>That's the point.  We are NOT a league.

>We are just a bunch of guys who get together on Saturdays to, for a little
>while, escape the madness of open servers.

>The racing is good, the skills are generally higher, and while we all***
>up sometimes NONE of it is intentional.

>I'm happy with it the way it is, and I saw NO problems until this whole
>thing started yesterday with one little post about making rules.

>Let's move along and go back to having fun racing.  That's why I'm here.  If
>I want to listen to all this bickering about rules, I'll go join a league :)

>-Larry

>> >  Each league has different ways of dealing with things, and in the end
>it
>> > all comes down to co-operation and respect. We at FFRL have it, I know
>for
>> > sure that the Finnish league (superbly run by Samuli Takala and Hena
>> > H?kk?nen) has it too, but sadly not all do. Those that don't (either by
>> > disrespectful admin or sloppy racers) are the ones that get into all the
>> > trouble.

>> I agree. Leagues without decent and complete rules aren't leagues at all.
>A
>> league might go badly wrong if it has very inconsistant/illogical  rules
>and
>> dictatorship-like administration, though.

>> In the Finnish league we have a rule that you can't change line before S/F
>> line in a restart, and speed differences gained by leaving inequal gaps
>> before green can't be taken advantage of. And this works quite well - we
>> watch every replay carefully and in a set of 100 races, only 1-5 has a
>> problem with a restart and not much more with T1. It all comes down to the
>> drivers themselves.

>> btw, I do help Samuli more than Hena does in administrating our league,
>> although Samuli's workload is huge :)

>> --
>> Mika Takala

> That's the point.  We are NOT a league.

> We are just a bunch of guys who get together on Saturdays to, for a little
> while, escape the madness of open servers.

> The racing is good, the skills are generally higher, and while we all
***
> up sometimes NONE of it is intentional.

> I'm happy with it the way it is, and I saw NO problems until this whole
> thing started yesterday with one little post about making rules.

> Let's move along and go back to having fun racing.  That's why I'm here.
If
> I want to listen to all this bickering about rules, I'll go join a league
:)

> -Larry

wrote

> > >  Each league has different ways of dealing with things, and in the end
> it
> > > all comes down to co-operation and respect. We at FFRL have it, I know
> for
> > > sure that the Finnish league (superbly run by Samuli Takala and Hena
> > > H?kk?nen) has it too, but sadly not all do. Those that don't (either
by
> > > disrespectful admin or sloppy racers) are the ones that get into all
the
> > > trouble.

> > I agree. Leagues without decent and complete rules aren't leagues at
all.
> A
> > league might go badly wrong if it has very inconsistant/illogical  rules
> and
> > dictatorship-like administration, though.

> > In the Finnish league we have a rule that you can't change line before
S/F
> > line in a restart, and speed differences gained by leaving inequal gaps
> > before green can't be taken advantage of. And this works quite well - we
> > watch every replay carefully and in a set of 100 races, only 1-5 has a
> > problem with a restart and not much more with T1. It all comes down to
the
> > drivers themselves.

> > btw, I do help Samuli more than Hena does in administrating our league,
> > although Samuli's workload is huge :)

> > --
> > Mika Takala

> I second the motion. All those in favor.....aye? aaaaaayayyyyyyyyyyeyeeee

> > That's the point.  We are NOT a league.

> > We are just a bunch of guys who get together on Saturdays to, for a
little
> > while, escape the madness of open servers.

> > The racing is good, the skills are generally higher, and while we all
>***
> > up sometimes NONE of it is intentional.

> > I'm happy with it the way it is, and I saw NO problems until this whole
> > thing started yesterday with one little post about making rules.

> > Let's move along and go back to having fun racing.  That's why I'm here.
> If
> > I want to listen to all this bickering about rules, I'll go join a
league
> :)

> > -Larry

> wrote

> > > >  Each league has different ways of dealing with things, and in the
end
> > it
> > > > all comes down to co-operation and respect. We at FFRL have it, I
know
> > for
> > > > sure that the Finnish league (superbly run by Samuli Takala and Hena
> > > > H?kk?nen) has it too, but sadly not all do. Those that don't (either
> by
> > > > disrespectful admin or sloppy racers) are the ones that get into all
> the
> > > > trouble.

> > > I agree. Leagues without decent and complete rules aren't leagues at
> all.
> > A
> > > league might go badly wrong if it has very inconsistant/illogical
rules
> > and
> > > dictatorship-like administration, though.

> > > In the Finnish league we have a rule that you can't change line before
> S/F
> > > line in a restart, and speed differences gained by leaving inequal
gaps
> > > before green can't be taken advantage of. And this works quite well -
we
> > > watch every replay carefully and in a set of 100 races, only 1-5 has a
> > > problem with a restart and not much more with T1. It all comes down to
> the
> > > drivers themselves.

> > > btw, I do help Samuli more than Hena does in administrating our
league,
> > > although Samuli's workload is huge :)

> > > --
> > > Mika Takala

>I cannot understand this reluctancy to having a rulebook ??!!??
>In my book we either have a set of rules or *anything goes* - there is no in
>between. If we dont race by the same rules - which we all CLEARLY DON'T - we
>will have yellow upon yellow flag...

> Eldred,

> I'm not talking about the tape.

> I'm talking about the overall feel of the settings.  There is a distinct
> difference between the NR2002 FAST Setup and the Fixed Setup we ran
> yesterday.  At least on my machine, and since you can't alter the canned
> setups, I know mine wasn't changed.

> It wasn't the tape.  It was much more than that.

> Offline, the FAST setup is slimy, pushy and really dismal to drive.

> Online, it was quite reasonable and controllable.

> I don't understand the difference, but it was there and it was much more
> than the tape.

> -Larry

> > >I think it came out better than expected because we were 1)Ready for it
> due
> > >to the pre-race discussions and 2)The actual online FAST setup was
> totally
> > >different than the Offline FAST setup.  Why I don't know, but it was a
> good
> > >thing :)

> > The only thing that was changed was the tape - from 45% to 40%.  If it
> made
> > THAT big of a difference in the feel of the car, *I* sure couldn't feel
> it...

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > My .sig file is in the shop for repairs...

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