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XP NT file system and sims?

R Keatin

XP NT file system and sims?

by R Keatin » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 06:50:20

Any reasons for or against using the NT file system in XP over the regular
Windows (FAT)
system with regards to racing sims (compatibility, speed, ... other?).

Thanks,
Russell

Cong

XP NT file system and sims?

by Cong » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:03:17

If you don't know how the file system works don't use it.
Biz

XP NT file system and sims?

by Biz » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:19:42

A few sims may not run, but most will run perfectly fine.  ANything current should work fine, GPL
requires disk indexing to be turned on for at least the GPL folder, VROC requires you to rename
riched20.dll or it errors.  Truthfully IMHO, if you're not going to use NTFS, there aren't alot of
good reasons to even bother with an NT based OS in the first place since you lose most of OS
security without it.
--
Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash


> Any reasons for or against using the NT file system in XP over the regular
> Windows (FAT)
> system with regards to racing sims (compatibility, speed, ... other?).

> Thanks,
> Russell

Cong

XP NT file system and sims?

by Cong » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:33:08

The reason to use an NT based OS can be stability. It works very well with
FAT 32 and most home users do not need to encrypt and protect individual
folders.

It is also much more resistant to virus since they can not become memory
resident. Use your XP with Fat32 unless you want to hide sensitive files.


current should work fine, GPL
requires you to rename
NTFS, there aren't alot of

> good reasons to even bother with an NT based OS in the first place since
you lose most of OS
> security without it.
> --
> Biz

> "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
> the....." - Ash




Carl Ribbegaard

XP NT file system and sims?

by Carl Ribbegaard » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:29:35

No, use XP with NTFS if you do not have any special reason not to. A special
reason could be dual booting.

I have even dug up a link from microsoft if you want to get further advices
;-)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/pr...
ol/winntas/tips/techrep/filesyst.asp

/Carl


> The reason to use an NT based OS can be stability. It works very well with
> FAT 32 and most home users do not need to encrypt and protect individual
> folders.

> It is also much more resistant to virus since they can not become memory
> resident. Use your XP with Fat32 unless you want to hide sensitive files.



> > A few sims may not run, but most will run perfectly fine.  ANything
> current should work fine, GPL
> > requires disk indexing to be turned on for at least the GPL folder, VROC
> requires you to rename
> > riched20.dll or it errors.  Truthfully IMHO, if you're not going to use
> NTFS, there aren't alot of
> > good reasons to even bother with an NT based OS in the first place since
> you lose most of OS
> > security without it.
> > --
> > Biz

> > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
structures,....and
> > the....." - Ash



> > > Any reasons for or against using the NT file system in XP over the
> regular
> > > Windows (FAT)
> > > system with regards to racing sims (compatibility, speed, ... other?).

> > > Thanks,
> > > Russell

Carl Ribbegaard

XP NT file system and sims?

by Carl Ribbegaard » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:32:47

Please disregard the part of the article where it tells you to make a boot
partition in Fat.
That is not valid anymore, since 2000/XP has a recovery console.
MS reccomendation is 100% NTFS
I don't have time to search for more MS articles right now, but please check
out www.microsoft.com/technet on your own.

/Carl


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/pr...

> ol/winntas/tips/techrep/filesyst.asp

> /Carl



> > The reason to use an NT based OS can be stability. It works very well
with
> > FAT 32 and most home users do not need to encrypt and protect individual
> > folders.

> > It is also much more resistant to virus since they can not become memory
> > resident. Use your XP with Fat32 unless you want to hide sensitive
files.



> > > A few sims may not run, but most will run perfectly fine.  ANything
> > current should work fine, GPL
> > > requires disk indexing to be turned on for at least the GPL folder,
VROC
> > requires you to rename
> > > riched20.dll or it errors.  Truthfully IMHO, if you're not going to
use
> > NTFS, there aren't alot of
> > > good reasons to even bother with an NT based OS in the first place
since
> > you lose most of OS
> > > security without it.
> > > --
> > > Biz

> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash



> > > > Any reasons for or against using the NT file system in XP over the
> > regular
> > > > Windows (FAT)
> > > > system with regards to racing sims (compatibility, speed, ...
other?).

> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Russell

Dale Gree

XP NT file system and sims?

by Dale Gree » Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:03:35


NTFS made me a lot of money once when a client's MBR became corrupted.  All
of his emails and digital photos... none of it backed up.  NTFS stores a
backup copy that can be recovered with a disk editor (and I believe there's
a MS tool to do this as well) in just a few miuntes.  I think I made about
$500 for that hour :)

Also NTFS is a journaled filesystem making it quite unusual to lose data if
you have a system crash.  I had a problem with a bad driver that was
crashing my system about 5 times a day for a week.  I never lost a single
file in nearly 25 crashes.  In fact, I can't remember the last time I had a
corrupted file following a crash.

That's a good enough reason for me to run NTFS on all my systems.

Dale.

Jacques Roussea

XP NT file system and sims?

by Jacques Roussea » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 02:24:44

I doubt whether most of us know how FAT32 "works" any more than how NTFS
works. Russell: I've installed F12002 (and GP4, briefly) on both, and have
noticed no performance difference. I've heard that NTFS drives can slow down
noticeably when near full, though, so if space is a consideration, maybe
FAT32 is better.

Jacques


Larr

XP NT file system and sims?

by Larr » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:50:49

Works fine here...

-Larry


Larr

XP NT file system and sims?

by Larr » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:52:52

You would have no reason to go back to FAT-32.

NTFS is your friend...

-Larry


> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:03:35 -0700, "Dale Green"

> >NTFS made me a lot of money once when a client's MBR became corrupted.
All
> >of his emails and digital photos... none of it backed up.  NTFS stores a
> >backup copy that can be recovered with a disk editor (and I believe
there's
> >a MS tool to do this as well) in just a few miuntes.  I think I made
about
> >$500 for that hour :)

> >Also NTFS is a journaled filesystem making it quite unusual to lose data
if
> >you have a system crash.  I had a problem with a bad driver that was
> >crashing my system about 5 times a day for a week.  I never lost a single
> >file in nearly 25 crashes.  In fact, I can't remember the last time I had
a
> >corrupted file following a crash.

> >That's a good enough reason for me to run NTFS on all my systems.

> >Dale.

> Yea, but the question was NTFS and *sims*, not NTFS and file
> protection. For a gamer I say stick with FAT32, more compatibility and
> is slightly faster according to articles I have read. Once you go NTFS
> it is more of a pain to reformat back to FAT32 if you should ever
> want/need to go back to Win9x. You need to destroy the NTFS partition
> before you can go back to FAT32. With FAT32 no such malarky is needed.
> One can easily get 3rd party encryption utilities for free if you want
> to secure files and folders under FAT32.

Carl Ribbegaard

XP NT file system and sims?

by Carl Ribbegaard » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:47:59

Exactly :-)


Jussi 'Igor' Koukk

XP NT file system and sims?

by Jussi 'Igor' Koukk » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:08:03


somtehing like this:

NTFS has worked fine for me too. Every game and sim works as well as
on FAT32. Maybe there is a noticeable performance difference between
FAT32 and NTFS on slow machines that can't run games properly

880MHz machine. I recently reinstalled WinXP on my machine, and I
installed it on FAT32 just to see if it would give some sort of
performance boost. It didn't, so I converted the disk to NTFS. I've
had some troubles with corrupted allocation tables on FAT partitions
before, so I try to stay away from it :)

NTFS is somewhat faster than FAT32 in reading/writing large files
'cause it reads the data in larger portions. With lots of small files
FAT32 is a little faster...

BTW, NTFS partitions can be converted to FAT32 eg. with Partition
Magic.
--
- Igor -

Jussi 'Igor' Koukk

XP NT file system and sims?

by Jussi 'Igor' Koukk » Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:29:14


wrote something like this:



>>NTFS has worked fine for me too. Every game and sim works as well as
>>on FAT32.

>How many games do you own? Not every sim/game will work on XP even
>with FAT32 so why lower your odds with NTFS?

Haven't counted my games, but there are plenty. What I meant to say
was that every game and sim that I have tried, and that worked on
WinXP, worked regardless of the file system.  I guess I should have
read what I wrote one more time...

What sims do you own that run on WinXP with FAT32, but won't run with
NTFS?

I just stated the fact that it can be done if necessary.
--
- Igor -

Carl Ribbegaard

XP NT file system and sims?

by Carl Ribbegaard » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:31:03



> >NTFS is your friend...

> >-Larry

> Sure Larry, that's why I spent frustrating time trying to get GPL to
> run on NTFS. I know what the issue was now but back then no one knew
> why I couldn't get it to run. If Iwas using FAT32 I would have had no
> such problem.

I guess the problem was that you didn't have rights to write to the folder,
right?

What game will not install on NTFS?

/Carl

Larr

XP NT file system and sims?

by Larr » Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:30:08

I have over 50 games, and not one of them has had an issue with NTFS.

-Larry




> >NTFS has worked fine for me too. Every game and sim works as well as
> >on FAT32.

> How many games do you own? Not every sim/game will work on XP even
> with FAT32 so why lower your odds with NTFS?

> >BTW, NTFS partitions can be converted to FAT32 eg. with Partition
> >Magic.

> I don't want or need to pay big bucks for a partitioning utility. I
> used to own PM but that version became obsolete and I'm not spending
> another $100.00 CAD for it.


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