Exactly what I have been trying to say, and I'm still waiting to be
proven wrong.
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Exactly what I have been trying to say, and I'm still waiting to be
proven wrong.
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The key word being "may". Give one example of a game (preferably a sim
cause that's what the subject says, but a game will do) that runs on
WinXP with FAT32, but won't run on WinXP with NTFS.
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Oh, didn't notice you're trying to abandon a sinking ship ;) Feel free
to ignore my replies.
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> And the below should shut you doubters up for good. If it doesn't then > Some older programs may not run on an NTFS volume, so you should
> all further posts will be ignored.
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> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> Note
> research the current requirements for your software before converting.
They told us that IE could not be removed from W98 as it was "too
integrated" in the OS, yet I'm running W98 without any sort of Web
browser installed on my *** PC, I'm sure we could find tons of other
statements that are only "half truths" at best, such as "WinME is a
stable OS" :-)
That statement is just MS covering their backs, it may be true for all I
know, but it's not *the* truth
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"The Pits" http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
> >Oh, didn't notice you're trying to abandon a sinking ship ;) Feel free
> >to ignore my replies.
> Hehe....
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> WinXP: Not tested yet, but I have gotten a report that Ishar games do
> not run on NTFS drives
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> Unreal Tournament (Epic)
> 4) Game works in XP under FAT32 File System, currently not working
> with NTFS system. Hangs after game loads
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> It also helps if you run it on an NTFS volume. Yes, some older games
> won't work
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> Q. MY friend noticed I'd upgraded to Windows XP and he told me I
> should convert my hard drive's file system to NTFS. He said it's
> better than the FAT file system used by Windows 95/98, but he couldn't
> tell me why. Can you? Are there any reasons why I shouldn't convert
> the drive to NTFS?
> A. People who make definitive statements like that without any
> supporting data are dangerous.
> There are people right now upgrading their computers to Windows XP
> just because of the hype of the media or the exultations of some
> acquaintance. Some are happy as a result, but some are miserable
> because they did not stop to consider the ramifications of such a
> dramatic system alteration and didn't do the right research research
> before plunging into the choppy XP waters.
> Changing from FAT to NTFS is not as serious as replacing your OS but
> it is a major modification and could have a profound effect on how you
> use your PC, depending on the type of user you are and how you
> interact with your file system.
> In order to decide between NTFS and FAT, take the time to understand
> them. FAT stands for File Allocation Table and NTFS stands for NT File
> System. File systems are used by your operating system to organize and
> deal with files and folders on your computer.
> FAT 16 was originally introduced with MS-DOS back in 1981. An improved
> version, FAT 32, was introduced with Windows 95 Service Pack 2. NTFS
> was introduced with NT and is common with NT 4 and Windows 2000.
> The FAT file system is far more compatible with other operating
> systems like Linux and other flavors of Unix. This allows you to share
> files on a system that is a dual boot. NTFS files are not accessible
> from other operating systems.
> With a FAT system you can boot up with a floppy if your system crashes
> and move files to a disk or copy files into the system from a disk.
> This is real handy if you are trying to recover a dead or dying
> computer. If Windows crashed you can still access the files.
> With NTFS, if the file system becomes damaged or Windows crashes, it
> can be a real pain to recover.
> NTFS offers greater efficiency in terms of disk space utilization and
> security. And I hear that system recovery tools in XP have come a long
> way, so maybe I am old fashioned. I am a command line kind of guy and
> I need the access to my file system that only FAT offers. Others may
> be just fine with NTFS.
> Don't change your computer just because someone says you should.
> Evaluate your options. Ask yourself two questions: What will I gain?
> What will I lose?
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> ACL Issues
> Imagine a folder exists on an NTFS partition, and that folder has the
> following ACL:
> SYSTEM (Full Control)
> Administrators (Full Control)
> Everyone (Read)
> Unless you are a privileged account, such as an administrator or the
> system account (many services run as system), the only thing you can
> do to in this folder is read files. You cannot write, you cannot
> delete, and you cannot do anything else. If your application tries to
> perform any file I/O other than read, it will receive an access denied
> error. Get used to it-access denied is error #5!
> This is a very common issue. Applications that write data to protected
> areas of the file system, or other portions of the operating system,
> such as the registry, require the application user be an administrator
> to operate correctly. How many games do you know that write high-score
> information to the C:\Program Files directory? Let me answer that for
> you. Lots. And that's a problem because it means the user playing the
> game must be an administrator. It's a problem because many games allow
> users to play one another over the Internet, which means they must
> open sockets, and if there's a buffer overrun or similar vulnerability
> in the game socket-handling code, an attacker could potentially run
> code using the vulnerability, and the code would run as an admin. Game
> Over!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Also, if you use FAT32 and a Dos 7.0 boot disk you can boot to the > P.S. I know the file system used should be transparent to a game or
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> boot disk and run your old dos games from a FAT32 volume. On an NTFS
> volume and using the boot disk you won't be able to even see the NTFS
> volume. As I have been saying, for game compatibility FAT32 makes
> sense. Oh, and during my research I came across a number of NTFS pro
> sites that said NTFS is faster than FAT32. What a crock of BS, it's
> amazing the ***people will say to support their bias.
> app, but the fact remains there are situations where it can cause a
> problem.
The NTCompatible lists have results from different users, not tested by
the same person ?
Haven't tried the other games in the list, but this one I have.
Windows XP, it's on NTFS partition and working just fine. Where's
the catch?:)
TTT
> >Not one sim, and how about a game from this century? The small
The GPL + NTFS problem is bullshit, quite frankly.
<snip>
> With a FAT system you can boot up with a floppy if your system crashes
> and move files to a disk or copy files into the system from a disk.
> This is real handy if you are trying to recover a dead or dying
> computer. If Windows crashed you can still access the files.
> With NTFS, if the file system becomes damaged or Windows crashes, it
> can be a real pain to recover.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/server/help/default.asp?url=/...
2000/en/server/help/recovery_console_overview.htm
> If you are talking about Win98Lite then you will find there are some
> crucial IE files still installed. Now go and try to install Norton
> Systemworks 2002. With Win98Lite it can't be done because it won't
> install without IE installed. And use another browser won't fix the
> problem either. You also can't use MS Money 2002 if you have gutted IE
> from your OS either, I'm sure there are others. I've used Win98Lite a
> few times and in the end I have always had to dump it because of
> problems like the examples above.
No firewall, no AV software, no Office, no mail program and no web
browser, so while it may be true that there are some IE files still in
there, the functionality of IE is gone and I'm free to use whatever web
browser I see fit, which makes MS's statement only half true in my
opinion
I use FAT32 actually as I see no need to "complicate" matters, that way
if my hd crashes I can hook it up to any computer in the shop and have
instant access to all important files, I prefer to hook up crashed HD's
to a Win98 pc of possible actually as W98 seems to be more fault
tolerant, in some cases a WinXP or Win2k machine will refuse to boot to
Windows with a crashed HD connected, I've yet to experience this with a
basic W98 installation
But what's right for me might not be right for the next person....
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
You have always been free to use whatever web browser you choose. SP1 for
XP even gives you the option to "hide" IE. It's still installed but it's
hidden and you can use Mozilla, Opera, etc. as the default browser.
And that's really all I've been saying all along, with examples of why
someone might prefer FAT32 over NTFS.
> I only have one machine so need IE installed, but I have Mandrake Linux
> (posting this while in Madrake 8.2) on the same machine too so it's not like I'm MS's *** boy or anything.:-)
I can see the convenience of having one as I too often need to quickly
find something on the WWW while just as I've gotten comfy in my racing
chair and I hate to get up and use my other PC, but I've stuck to it for
now, will prolly install Opera at some point though
Ah, free to *use* yes, but why should I be forced to install something I
don't need ?
I hate to have something showed down my throat like that, one of the
reasons I'm self employed instead of working for the man, I'm not very
good at taking orders that doesn't make sense to me
On my work PC at the shop I have IE installed of course, I couldn't live
without at it as several of my suppliers seems to use Frontpage to
develop their web sites and I do need to visit their support and
warranty pages every so often, I keep complaining but unlike Andre
Warringa :-) they don't even listen
And as on OEM manufacturer I'm even bound by contract with MS not to
install any other browser on any new system I deliver with a MS OS,
that's part of the OEM license agreement.....how's that
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--
Perhaps Quicktime is in some way superior to MP... and developing PC
games on a Mac sounds kinda stupid. Besides, Macs are able to produce
file formats that are compatible with MP.
I'm more amazed that some games require MP 7.0 or higher... MP 6.4 is
AFAIK capable of playing all the same formats.
You really didn't need to write that down you know. It can be read
between the lines quite easily ;)
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>>Perhaps Quicktime is in some way superior to MP...
>I doubt it.
But, this is getting waaaay off topic =)
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> But, this is getting waaaay off topic =)
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--