rec.autos.simulators

I was wondering if people with the Rendition card are going to be able to
run in Rendition mode on Ten?Has there been any new info on the NRO?

 Thanks,Eric

But what if you did have one ???
It's an awful lot of money to have in a video card and you cant use
it on NRO and as a matter of fact some high end 486 users
get a livable frame rate with graphics cut on by using rendition
NO use me giving any more cash into this bottomless pit
until I see NRO up and running as well as an alternative
payment plan for those who don't want to pay credit card interest
rates . The sim is the greatest racing software I've ever seen
but Sierra needs to give their marketing department a swift kick in the ass
for the fumbles and missed opportunities they've committed thusfar

How does someone who is running a Rendition card have an advantage over you
while racing on-line?  I have two systems here, one with and one without a
Rendition.  When running multiplayer, the only difference I see is the
Rendition is clearer.

Just asking.....

Robert

Dana Bailes

Lyman,

Paul

Just my opinion

Paul

Where would you draw the line?

If you bought it, you can use it.

mykey

True the fact that's it looks better doesn't really matter, but I still beg
to differ with your conclusion.  Higher framerates give smoother gameplay
making for better response to your controller input which in turn leads to
faster lap times.  

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Yes.  The same driver will get slightly better lap times on a faster system
(whether due to the processor or videocard).  The smoother the input from
the controller, the faster you will be able to go.  The same would hold
true for wheels vs. joysticks, though in the original unpatched version of
N1 a joystick was faster due to the digital (either on or off) gas and
brake.

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Guess I will have to take your word on that.  Since my Non-rendetion
machine runs N2 in SVGA
( P-120 reduced graphics ) as well as the other runs the Rendition version
( P-200 full graphics ), I guess I am just missing the difference.  They
appear to run the same, it's just that the rendition version can run with
more of the eye candy turned on.

If I have a rendition card, and were actually getting a better frame rate /
smoother control, wouldn't turning off some of the graphics speed up the
other guys computer and make his control smother?  This appears to work
here.  At least in my un-sanctioned at-home tests.  Other's results may
differ.

Robert

I hold that opinion also.  Makes sense to me.  I would find it hard to
belive that a P-90 with a rendition card would out perform a P200 with an
decent video card.  Unless the 200 was a PB.......

Hopefully, they won't draw a HARDWARE line anywhere.

A kindred soul.  

Robert

It does increase the frame rate, if your systems DMA is setup right.  When
I first got my rendition card, driving it really sucked.  Then I updated my
BIOS and the DMA actually worked.  Actually liked the card after that.  A
will concede the fact that if the card is doing most of the work for
producing the graphics, then the CPU has more time for the mundane things,
like polling the JS port for input.

My point is,  if I turn off all the prettys on the non-rendition machine,
then the CPU isn't overworked with drawing trees, grandstands and other
non-required distractions, then it has more time to see what the JS is
doing.  Which on my systems, make them pretty even.  I can not turn any
faster times at Talladega with my Pentium 200 / Rendition computer, with
all graphics on, than I can with my Pentium 120 / S3 Vision864 with the
grass/asphalt turned off.  Using a T1 on the 200 and a T2 on the 120.  Both
use a SB16 gameport. These are the systems I have here, and are the only
ones I can comment on.  Your results may vary.

Thanks.  What a guy!  :-)

If you listen to the ACM users out there,  they seem to get that same
1/10th of a second simply by using a good gamecard.  Shouldn't they worry
you also?    And what about the 486/586 guys out there?  Aren't they at a
disavantage?  I mean their frame rates really blow.  I tried to run N2 on
my old 586-133 with 24 megs,  and I had to turn a LOT of things off just to
be able to play it.   Should there be a limit on the CPU you can use in the
NRO?  

I don't know know if any of the above means anything to anyone.  All I am
trying to point out is that there are a lot of other things that dictate
frame rate or JS sensitivity.  The rendition cards are just one of them.
Fast CPUs, dedicated gamecards,  fancy TSW's, ECCI's and the T1/T2/GP1
wheel / pedal combinations all play a part also.  And I am sure the owners
of the above would kick and scream if someone wanted to ban their use.
This isn't real Nascar where you have to go through a equipment inspection
to play.  Any control device is ok, so why not any video card?

Oh, and what about that voice commander thing?  Shouldn't those guys have
to take their hands off the wheel to press whatever key combo they need to
press and risk crashing like the rest of us?

Ok, now the disclaimer for the " what if " challanged.  I do not think any
of the above listed items should be banned from the NRO.  The above were
just the other pieces of hardware that I could think of that would also
increase a persons lap times, thereby being " unfair " to the person /
persons not owning a piece of like equipment.

You bring your hardware to the track and leave the sector editor at home.
Then " Gentelmen, start your engines ".

The above was closely edited to remove anything that could be considered a
flame.  Please feel free to do the same in any reply that may be
forthcoming.

Have a nice day.

Robert

In fact, Hawaii does this now.  I don't think that everyone there is
running the same frame rates.  I think that my non-rendition in SVGA is
just as responsive to the T2 controls as me rendition one is to my T1
controls.  I just have to turn off some graphics to make them that way.

If my having a Rendition card would give me an unfair advantage because my
control was " finer ", then I say that those using a ACM, CH3 or whatever
card would have that same unfair advantage against those of us who use the
soundcard's joystick port. After all, there has to be a reason for spending
those extra bucks, right?   You planning on banning them too?  Or a wheel?
Surely those with a wheel or good JS have an advantage over those using (
shudder ) the keyboard or a simple JS.  Gotta ban those too.  The list goes
on and on....  Last I heard, the requirements were N2, Ten, and the ability
to pay.  Why make it more complicated?

Have a nice day,

Robert