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GPL Graphics Stuttering

John Simmon

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by John Simmon » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:10:33

I'm running the following system:

AMD T-bird 1ghz
768mb PC/133 CAS-2 RAM
Radeon 8500
Windows 2000 Pro/SP2
SB Live!
DirectX 8.1
Desktop is set to 32-bit color depth
GPL - latest patch but absolutely no 3rd-party graphics enhancements

(I don't recall what resolution I'm running in GPL)

My display stutters every once in a while like the game is catching up
with itself.  I'm using the Direct3D renderer because the OpenGL
renderer just makes my screen go black.

It doesn't matter what track I'm at, what chassis I'm using, or anything
else - it always does this.  It does it while racing, or in practice,
and also while viewing replays.

I think I remember this behavior starting when I removed my Voodoo3 card
a year or two ago, and swapping in the Radeon64 (and subsequently the
Radeon 8500).

Is there a secret setting I should be using for Direct3D, or can anyone
possibly tell me why my screen goes black when i try to use OpenGL?

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Haqsa

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Haqsa » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:06:09

Not only have I been having a similar problem, but you are not the first
Radeon user who has mentioned this.  The only thing my system has in
common with yours is the SBLive! and a Radeon, although I have the 32 mb
DDR aka 7200.  So it's likely either a Radeon driver problem or an
SBLive problem.  But I have noticed mine pauses mostly when rounding a
corner which brings a new area of the track into view - IOW I think it
is texture thrash caused by having to load a new area of the track.
This happens in NR2002, GPL, and F1 2001.  It does not happen in any of
the many shooters I have.


Chris H

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Chris H » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:13:10

Make sure you've got the latest SBLive! drivers and then turn down the hardware acceleration on the sound card.  A lot of people have found that affecting the video output.  You may have to crank it all the way left before seeing any result.
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> Not only have I been having a similar problem, but you are not the first
> Radeon user who has mentioned this.  The only thing my system has in
> common with yours is the SBLive! and a Radeon, although I have the 32 mb
> DDR aka 7200.  So it's likely either a Radeon driver problem or an
> SBLive problem.  But I have noticed mine pauses mostly when rounding a
> corner which brings a new area of the track into view - IOW I think it
> is texture thrash caused by having to load a new area of the track.
> This happens in NR2002, GPL, and F1 2001.  It does not happen in any of
> the many shooters I have.



> > I'm running the following system:

> > AMD T-bird 1ghz
> > 768mb PC/133 CAS-2 RAM
> > Radeon 8500
> > Windows 2000 Pro/SP2
> > SB Live!
> > DirectX 8.1
> > Desktop is set to 32-bit color depth
> > GPL - latest patch but absolutely no 3rd-party graphics enhancements

> > (I don't recall what resolution I'm running in GPL)

> > My display stutters every once in a while like the game is catching up
> > with itself.  I'm using the Direct3D renderer because the OpenGL
> > renderer just makes my screen go black.

> > It doesn't matter what track I'm at, what chassis I'm using, or
> anything
> > else - it always does this.  It does it while racing, or in practice,
> > and also while viewing replays.

> > I think I remember this behavior starting when I removed my Voodoo3
> card
> > a year or two ago, and swapping in the Radeon64 (and subsequently the
> > Radeon 8500).

> > Is there a secret setting I should be using for Direct3D, or can
> anyone
> > possibly tell me why my screen goes black when i try to use OpenGL?

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John Simmon

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by John Simmon » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 09:52:58



The D3D stutter doesn't happen in any other game, and OpenGL works fine
as well. GPL is the only game I have problems in.

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Kraku

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Kraku » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:53:21

Ditch the broad (er, board), and get a GeForce 3 Ti200 - it runs like a
charm for pennies.

By the way, at least five of the legends you mentioned are racing in CORS,
so what's keeping ya...

Cheers,
The yellow-helmeted Ferrari driver.

Dunk

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Dunk » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:54:59

I can't believe you guys don't know how to fix this...There have been like
thousands of threads on this before I and I just joined this newsgroup.
There are several patches that you must get.  Update it to the latest patch
for the game itself, then download something called speed or cpu fix, it
fixes that stuttering that high end pc's have like 1ghz and up.  And the
last patch I like is the d3d beta patch for GPL where you are able to put
the game at any resolution with your graphics card for the game.  SOrry I
don't remember where to get these but just do a search on google or
somthing...




> > Not only have I been having a similar problem, but you are not the first
> > Radeon user who has mentioned this.  The only thing my system has in
> > common with yours is the SBLive! and a Radeon, although I have the 32 mb
> > DDR aka 7200.  So it's likely either a Radeon driver problem or an
> > SBLive problem.  But I have noticed mine pauses mostly when rounding a
> > corner which brings a new area of the track into view - IOW I think it
> > is texture thrash caused by having to load a new area of the track.
> > This happens in NR2002, GPL, and F1 2001.  It does not happen in any of
> > the many shooters I have.

> The D3D stutter doesn't happen in any other game, and OpenGL works fine
> as well. GPL is the only game I have problems in.

> --
> =========================================================
> Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
>   http://www.paddedwall.org/john

> DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
>   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

> DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
>   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

> Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
>   http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

> If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
> above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
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Warren Reich

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Warren Reich » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:42:08

I tried to run F1 2001 with Radeon 7500, the bug with textures dissappears
if you turn the mirrors off.

Warren


> Not only have I been having a similar problem, but you are not the first
> Radeon user who has mentioned this.  The only thing my system has in
> common with yours is the SBLive! and a Radeon, although I have the 32 mb
> DDR aka 7200.  So it's likely either a Radeon driver problem or an
> SBLive problem.  But I have noticed mine pauses mostly when rounding a
> corner which brings a new area of the track into view - IOW I think it
> is texture thrash caused by having to load a new area of the track.
> This happens in NR2002, GPL, and F1 2001.  It does not happen in any of
> the many shooters I have.



> > I'm running the following system:

> > AMD T-bird 1ghz
> > 768mb PC/133 CAS-2 RAM
> > Radeon 8500
> > Windows 2000 Pro/SP2
> > SB Live!
> > DirectX 8.1
> > Desktop is set to 32-bit color depth
> > GPL - latest patch but absolutely no 3rd-party graphics enhancements

> > (I don't recall what resolution I'm running in GPL)

> > My display stutters every once in a while like the game is catching up
> > with itself.  I'm using the Direct3D renderer because the OpenGL
> > renderer just makes my screen go black.

> > It doesn't matter what track I'm at, what chassis I'm using, or
> anything
> > else - it always does this.  It does it while racing, or in practice,
> > and also while viewing replays.

> > I think I remember this behavior starting when I removed my Voodoo3
> card
> > a year or two ago, and swapping in the Radeon64 (and subsequently the
> > Radeon 8500).

> > Is there a secret setting I should be using for Direct3D, or can
> anyone
> > possibly tell me why my screen goes black when i try to use OpenGL?

> > --
> > =========================================================
> > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
> >   http://www.paddedwall.org/john

> > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
> >   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

> > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development)
> >   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

> > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
> >   http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

> > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
> > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
> > =========================================================

Haqsa

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Haqsa » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 12:58:55


Got it already.

It's for 1.3 ghz and up, and therefore irrelevant to either of us.

Got that too.

The problems started about two video driver updates ago.  Unfortunately
I also made several other configuration changes at about the same time,
so I'm still not sure which one f'ed things up.  Another guy mentioned
SBLive, but I have had the SBLive for a year and I have only had these
problems for a few months.  Any more ideas?

Uncle Feste

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Uncle Feste » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:26:45


> The problems started about two video driver updates ago.  Unfortunately
> I also made several other configuration changes at about the same time,
> so I'm still not sure which one f'ed things up.  Another guy mentioned
> SBLive, but I have had the SBLive for a year and I have only had these
> problems for a few months.  Any more ideas?

I thought GPL had an issue with more than 512MB of RAM.  John says he
has 768, how much you got?

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is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime
that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

--Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Haqsa

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Haqsa » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 14:16:04



> > The problems started about two video driver updates ago.
Unfortunately
> > I also made several other configuration changes at about the same
time,
> > so I'm still not sure which one f'ed things up.  Another guy
mentioned
> > SBLive, but I have had the SBLive for a year and I have only had
these
> > problems for a few months.  Any more ideas?

> I thought GPL had an issue with more than 512MB of RAM.  John says he
> has 768, how much you got?

Nope that's not a problem here, I only have 256 meg.
Phil

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Phil » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 16:38:51

I put up with this problem on my system running Windows ME for about 6
months.

All other programs worked fine except GPL.

Tried every patch\driver\bios setting etc etc etc

Finally I "upgraded" to W98SE and it has been smooth as a baby's bum ever
since.

Phil.

Jone Tytlandsvi

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Jone Tytlandsvi » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:52:59

I have exactly the same problem.

My system:

MSI 694D-Pro mobo
PIII 800Mhz (Just one CPU)
512Mb PC133 RAM
Radeon AIW 32mb DDR
WinXP
SB Live 5.1
Onboard Promise Fasttrak Lite IDE raid

I have run GPL in "VIC20 mode" (lowest resolution and all off or set to the
lowest), and in 1280 X 1024 with all on and set to high. The stuttering
stays about the same. It happens 1-2 times per lap at say Rouen, or I can
run a lap or two with no stutter. It can happen on a straight, or in a
corner like Haqsau says. It's in the replays, sometimes it repeats itself if
I rewind and play it again, and sometimes it just happens the first time I
play the sequence.
My Radeon runs only AGP 2X due to incompatibility with the VIA chipset. But
it should not make a big difference.
I suspect the Radeon and/or drivers to be crap, or the Fasttrak Lite.
There are two D3D rasterizers around, the one made by papy and some other
one. Should I try this other one?

BTW: I have also shut down all unnecessary services, but it didn't make a
difference.

Jone.

John Simmon

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by John Simmon » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:23:30



> > The problems started about two video driver updates ago.  Unfortunately
> > I also made several other configuration changes at about the same time,
> > so I'm still not sure which one f'ed things up.  Another guy mentioned
> > SBLive, but I have had the SBLive for a year and I have only had these
> > problems for a few months.  Any more ideas?

> I thought GPL had an issue with more than 512MB of RAM.  John says he
> has 768, how much you got?

That's only on win98 that people have the memory probelm with more than
512mb.

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Emiliano Molin

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Emiliano Molin » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:16:02

Sblive seems to be the problem, for the first two weeks.  Then you think it is the video stuff, two weeks latter you try motherboard BIOS updates and drivers.

The only thing that fixed it for me was going to WIN98SE.

Uncle Feste

GPL Graphics Stuttering

by Uncle Feste » Wed, 03 Apr 2002 23:13:06




>>>The problems started about two video driver updates ago.  Unfortunately
>>>I also made several other configuration changes at about the same time,
>>>so I'm still not sure which one f'ed things up.  Another guy mentioned
>>>SBLive, but I have had the SBLive for a year and I have only had these
>>>problems for a few months.  Any more ideas?

>>I thought GPL had an issue with more than 512MB of RAM.  John says he
>>has 768, how much you got?

> That's only on win98 that people have the memory probelm with more than
> 512mb.

I stand corrected.

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Fester

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has
is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime
that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

--Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged


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