>> >The game will feature 10-13 tracks from the series as well as
>> >up to 30 Grand National drivers.
>> Why only 30? Having only 39 now is bad enough!
>Licensing, no doubt. Just as now, you'll very likely be able to import
>other drivers and car paint jobs from the 'net. That sentence doesn't
>imply that you can have only 30 in a race, merely that only some number
>will be included in the BGN pack...
Earl
Thank God somebody gets it.
>> >>The AI isn't a little problem that just arose after the sim went to
>> >>market. Its a MAJOR problem when the cars are crahsing into each
>> >>other all over pit road.
>> Where do you see this? I have owned NASCAR 2 since it first came out.
>> Never saw this...about the only REAL problem I ever saw was the Atlanta pit
>> thing, where the AI's would "fake" pit, turning toward pit road on the last
>> yellow lap, then turn back out to the track.
>> After I installed the first patch, I never saw any green lines at C***te,
>> nor did I have the T2 problem with jerking to the right.
>This happens all the time in modem racing (AI cars crashing in the pits
>and in a big wreck). Also cars that don't catch up to the pack under
>yellow.
>--
>I think people can figure out the spam filter to reply to me..
>Kel
>Calgary, Alberta CANADA
>If the problem is covered by a warranty, the manufacturer should be
>required
>to fix the problem. Not require you to buy next years model.
>I realize the money levels are different but where do you draw the line?
>Your $18,000 Jeep shouldn't have as much support available as a $40,000
>BMW?
>However if the company realizes that a model has problems they can be
>FORCED
>to return the money paid for the vehicle. (Lemon Laws)
>mykey
Nomo Respect
>That's your problem, boy, you expect the same level of support for a
>$50 game as you do a $12,000 or $30,000 or $90,000 vehicle. The
>failure in your system is the vendor of the $50 computer GAME.
---Jim
The manufacturer should be required to fix the problem, or refund your
money for claims made within the warranty period.
---Jim Sokoloff
>>There are parts of Nascar2 covered by WARRANTY that do not work as
>>described
>>in the owner's manual.
>Which parts are those exactly?
>>If the problem is covered by a warranty, the manufacturer should be
>>required
>>to fix the problem. Not require you to buy next years model.
>The manufacturer should be required to fix the problem, or refund your
>money for claims made within the warranty period.
>---Jim Sokoloff
>>He was a great listener, unlike some people on this
newsgroup who speak without listening.<<
Umm...maybe you didnt catch the other guy's smiley face at the end of the
message...It was obvioulsy an attempt at humor but I guess not all of us
caught that. Dont start flaming people for no reason please, nobody like
to read those.
>>>There are parts of Nascar2 covered by WARRANTY that do not work as
>>>described
>>>in the owner's manual.
>>Which parts are those exactly?
>>>If the problem is covered by a warranty, the manufacturer should be
>>>required
>>>to fix the problem. Not require you to buy next years model.
>>The manufacturer should be required to fix the problem, or refund your
>>money for claims made within the warranty period.
>>---Jim Sokoloff
>What about the misleading adverti***ts. Please dont try to justify
>that. Look Maybe the problems we're experiencing are only in modem
>play. I dont know although I have witnessed the cars crashing on
>pitroad during single play as well. Still you have no right to tell
>us that what we're seeing isn't that bad. Hell man I cant get 40 laps
>in without it screwing the whole race up. I didn't actually buy
>Nascar 2 to race by myself. my friends and I Like to hook up and
>race a season modem to modem and its impossible in Nascar2 but I would
>like to mention that we all had very good races with Nascar1. Thats
>why I said had I known that Papyrus would jerk us around on fixing
>bugs I'd never even bought it. According to you Nascar3's gonna be so
>much more anyway. Yeah thats what they said about Nascar2!
>We purchased Nascar2 with the impression that it was a major Upgrade
>and improvement. Of course we know by your post that you were'nt
>under this impression. Hey we dont all work for Papy you know so
>we're forced to learn info on up and coming stuff by you people. Then
>we find out for Ourselves you try to convince us that we're imagining
>it or its " not that bad." As far as refund I dont want my money back
>I want what was advertised. "Authentic racing from qualification to
>championship, includes 16 tracks all featuring incredible realism"
>well 20 cars crashing on pit road is not realism and I dare you to say
>it is.
go wreck your car into pieces, see if they will take it back
I can still remember, back in 1989, when I got my first soundcard! It was
this great AdLib thing and the first game I tried was Indianapolis 500.
Well, THAT TOTALLY FREAKIN' ROCKED!! Speakers right behind me, and go! And
then, when I finally saw Indianapolis 500 on a color screen, I knew for
sure: sims wouldn't get any better than this! And then I got Indycar,
NASCAR, and all the rest, you know the story.
THANKS PAPYRUS, KEEP UP THE *VERY* GOOD WORK. You guys are the only reason
I upgrade my PC now and then... (I don't really need an overclocked Pentium
to run Word!)
--
Formula T2 Upgrade Page - http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox
Here in the Netherlands we have a great word for whining about
'principles': KOPPIGHEID, which is OBSTINACY in English.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
--
Formula T2 Upgrade Page - http://huizen.dds.nl/~jjcox
> Nomo Respect
So, in terms of Sierra's claims of performance (ie. realistic handling,
competition, etc.), I think it's top dog as far as computer sims go. I
think Longbow is one of the greatest computer flight sims ever produced,
yet it's got some bugs, even after applying patches. In six*** years
of computing, I have yet to see one full app that doesn't have at least
one bug. I think Papyrus' presence in this group, coupled with their
willingness to produce patches that included features you demanded (such
as save race) should say something about their effort to please you.
God Bless,
Steve
On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 13:26:23 -0400, Steve Vandergriff
Never said that N2 was a flawed product or perfect product. Papyrus
is a respected company. What really questioned my respect and I
shouldn't take it out on a company as a whole, but individuals that
make-shift down right false claims, about what was promised in their
product and why they now state that they don't intend to support or
develop those into the product when it was claimed to have them in it
on the initial release. That is my reason for posting in this
newsgroup, cause Papyrus employees do listen with open minds on the
concerns of their customers. NASCAR Racing 2 is a fantastic and best
racing simulator on the market... hands down! But include the
features that was promised, fix the problems and make the AI's smarter
and more aggressive. Then when N3 comes out with more improvements
and added features, I'll again respect the Sierra/Papyrus label and
pull out my wallet once again to purchase their product.
Nomo
Happens ALL the time in multiplayer. That and other major AI bugs when
under yellow.
Yes, I agree fully about that statement. But they fixed the MINOR bugs
which didn't really bother me that much. Everyone ***es about the AI
(even since N1) the most, and I have not seen any improvement. AI, I
think is is the biggest beef among us serious sim fans that cannot
afford 300- 400 bucks a month racing Hawaii. Most of us just race our
buddies online (with full field). I know AI programing must be a truly
difficult task, but a dedicated company (hopefully like Papy) will at
least make the effort and put the money there to make the AI the way
it's supposed to be.
And you too,
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I think people can figure out the spam filter to reply to me..
Kel
Calgary, Alberta CANADA
