>> >When you bought N2, did you buy some kind of package for a lifetime
>> >subscription to all NASCAR-related products that Papyrus ever released?
>> >I sure didn't see that bundle offered.
>> When you buy a new car and find all kinds of problems with it, do you
>> just say "Oh well, it will be fixed in the next model and I'll just
>> wait and buy that?!?!!!" I don't think so.
>But did you pay $49.95 or #18,000.00 for the new car?
> >>The AI isn't a little problem that just arose after the sim went to
> >>market. Its a MAJOR problem when the cars are crahsing into each
> >>other all over pit road.
> Where do you see this? I have owned NASCAR 2 since it first came out.
> Never saw this...about the only REAL problem I ever saw was the Atlanta pit
> thing, where the AI's would "fake" pit, turning toward pit road on the last
> yellow lap, then turn back out to the track.
> After I installed the first patch, I never saw any green lines at C***te,
> nor did I have the T2 problem with jerking to the right.
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Kel
Calgary, Alberta CANADA
So there are very noticable differences between N1 and N2, yet you
feel you got screwed buying N2 because it was just the same as N1?
(Cut to Monty Python: Red, no wait, Blue! (AAaAiiiiieeeeh)) Surely it
can't be both ways.
---Jim, who bought more than one copy of N2, and I don't feel I got
cheated at all... :-) <-- For the humor impaired.
>>When you bought N2, did you buy some kind of package for a lifetime
>>subscription to all NASCAR-related products that Papyrus ever released?
>>I sure didn't see that bundle offered.
>When you buy a new car and find all kinds of problems with it, do you
>just say "Oh well, it will be fixed in the next model and I'll just
>wait and buy that?!?!!!" I don't think so.
After all, my '96 Grand Cherokee is all that different from the '84
Cherokee I have. Surely in 12 years, Jeep could have fundamentally
revolutionized the SUV, but they felt that they had to release my
truck late in the year, when the public is expecting to buy new cars.
---Jim
>Doesn't matter how much you payed its still the same principle.
---Jim
Look at the number of people who still can't get their systems
properly configured to run games on their own, and you'll probably
realize that the 1% of defect reports from a public beta would not be
noticed in time by our QA department, because they'd have their hands
full slogging through report after report from people who think that
beta-testing IS free-demo.
---Jim
>>It doesn't even need to be something as complicated
>>as a racing sim... *Any* software program is going to
>>have problems on *somebody's* machine...
>True, but this is more of a comment on current operating systems like
>Windows and their limitations. With reliable, consistently functioning
>operating systems (such as DOS for example) is was possible (and much
>easier!) to write software that worked on all machines.
---Jim
This is a cop out ! When you buy a product, regardless of it's price $5 or
$50000 you expect the best for your money not somthing that is flawed. The
AI is not improved. The game should be an improvment not a dress up. The
game was built up to be a great improvment, but it is in fact a great
dress up. I have not complained about this before but given your comment
of support for a $50 game I felt it was necessary. If you market somthing
make it good and we will come back for more when production gets in the
way of quailty you lose as well as your customers. The bottom line is
quailty means money, little quality means little money, think about it.
I'm sure your tired of hearing this so I appreaciate your time and just
wanted you and your company to understand our positions.
Outlaw Alf
Go 24 Straight to victory Lane
Outlaw Designs Nascar Sim Page
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I agree with Outlaw Alf. It's obvious that money doesn't mean that much
to some of the people in this newssgroup. Some people have to work hard to
make that $50. I think that the arrogance and flippant attitudes of people
in this newssgroup are reflective of their answers.
And if this is the attitude of Sierra ( that it is only $50), then their
company is in alot of trouble. Look out in the real world. Sierra doesn't
have enough of a customer base to shove off. If they upset half of their
customers over these issues, then will it be worth it to them to release
the next product knowing that it is going to sell abouty half as many
programs. Only time will tell.
I don't see Win 97 is any better than Win 95
>>>But did you pay $49.95 or #18,000.00 for the new car?
>>Doesn't matter how much you payed its still the same principle.
>That's your problem, boy, you expect the same level of support for a
>$50 game as you do a $12,000 or $30,000 or $90,000 vehicle. The
>failure in your system is the vendor of the $50 computer GAME.
>---Jim
Don't buy it if u don't have the money. Like people said, racing is a very
expensive sports. Go play soccer or something
I don't really have a problem with the AI. AI is AI. Every Sim is
different, every car/driver is sort of different. Every real person
is different.
The real problem lies in the functions/features that were not
delivered. N2 was sold and the next logical step up from N1. To me
that means that it should include everything that N1 has and then
some, plus enhancements. The way N2 looks and plays, it should NOT
have been N2 but a patch to N1. The only real difference between the
two is one has a spotter and the other doesn't. Sure N2 drives
different, looks different, plays different, etc, but none of those
things are neccessarily any better than before, just different.
I think that N2 was just a rewritten and modified N1 with a lot of
spagetti code fixed. Consider:
N1 - No spotter N2 - spotter
N1 - tracks N2 - same tracks with DIFFERENT graphics
N1 - Save game N2 - No save game
N1 - Chat N2 - Crippled chat
N1- 486CPU N2 - at least a Pentium
And the code they couldn't dress up was deleted......
<just an opinion>
> >>When you bought N2, did you buy some kind of package for a lifetime
> >>subscription to all NASCAR-related products that Papyrus ever released?
> >>I sure didn't see that bundle offered.
> >When you buy a new car and find all kinds of problems with it, do you
> >just say "Oh well, it will be fixed in the next model and I'll just
> >wait and buy that?!?!!!" I don't think so.
> I also didn't go driving up to my Jeep dealer when the '97 Grand
> Cherokees came out and say, "Hey, the new ones have the flipper back
> glass, if you don't install that on my car, I'm going to:
> a) return my truck
> b) flame Jeep endless on the internet
> c) sue you
> d) go cry and whine to my mommy."
> After all, my '96 Grand Cherokee is all that different from the '84
> Cherokee I have. Surely in 12 years, Jeep could have fundamentally
> revolutionized the SUV, but they felt that they had to release my
> truck late in the year, when the public is expecting to buy new cars.
> ---Jim
Then after a few months you find they aren't going to make those
replacement
parts, you know darn well that you are going to complain.
There are parts of Nascar2 covered by WARRANTY that do not work as
described
in the owner's manual.
If the problem is covered by a warranty, the manufacturer should be
required
to fix the problem. Not require you to buy next years model.
I realize the money levels are different but where do you draw the line?
Your $18,000 Jeep shouldn't have as much support available as a $40,000
BMW?
However if the company realizes that a model has problems they can be
FORCED
to return the money paid for the vehicle. (Lemon Laws)
mykey
HARDY-HAR-HAR! That's a good one.
War and space travel are expensive too. I don't say I'm participating
in them because I've played a computer game.
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