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No matter how much I try to like this sim, I just can't. I've kidded
myself for ages and ages that it's great- it has all the features I
want, stuff not found in GP2- but it's just not likable. I think this is
partly reflective of the era: F1 cars don't look fun to drive at the
moment, though there's something I can't put my finger on that spoils
the game. It's the overall feel perhaps.

F1GP and GP2 were both great fun, but F1RS just doesn't have it, plus it
still feels too buggy... the physics are shit, especially when a car
goes flying, and the AI are only too happy to drive into the back of
you.

I guess what I'm saying is; I need a GP3, to bring some fun back into my
simracing. Come on Geoff, get yer finger out :)

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I've driven TOCA quite a bit to be honest. It soon wears off after a
bit, mainly due to bad design (not being able to qual well then
thrashing everyone in the race does nothing to keep you interested or
motivated). However, I'm expecting TOCA 2 to be fantastic, the same
applying to CMRally.

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Yeah, I've been playing GPL. It certainly a good game, and the physics,
the graphics and the, well everything, is so spot on you can't argue or
get frustrated with it at all. The problem is, Watkins Glen is getting a
bit boring now. Let me loose on the Nurburgring :)

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Goes flying? I guess I would have to suck bad enough to
experience that :-) You are basing a racing sim by how it
reacts in the air? Hey, at least this one gets airborne.

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Sheesh.

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Greg, I suspect you dont drive without the helps found in F1RS (ABS, anti-skid
and anti-spin). If you do drive without these helps and still think F1RS is the
best F1 racing sim, I cant help you :o). Without any of those helps I have for
example a 1:28.4 at Melbourne, not cuting any corners or anything. I dont even
use the ideal trajectory. Just so you know I mastered F1RS. You can download my
ghost from my home page below.

What really pushed me over the edge to stop driving in F1RS was the bugs. I got
over 100 hours in it, though, but no more.

I gave up on F1RS before the 1.09 patch came out, so I had to go through all the
other patches, which really tried my patience. I didn't like the sound, but I
got used to it. The physics is not very good. GP2 has still much better physics
in my humble opinion, which I alse drive without any helps or aids. The AI in
GP2 is much better than F1RS, IMO. There are three very important parts in a
racing sim; graphics, physics and AI, and GP2 wins clearly in two out of three
and on a Celeron 400 MHz the graphics in GP2 is as good as the 3Dfx graphics in
F1RS, which IMO are too cartoonish.

This is of course not strange at all since Geoff Crammond has been doing F1 sims
for over 10 years and Ubisoft is on their first attempt. F1RS2 could be a
serious contender to GP3, though, but I doubt it :o).

/Christer, not trying to make trouble, just think physics and AI is more
important than graphics
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Everyone interested in F1 simracing in this group knows you arse-kiss
F1RS. The fact is that F1RS blows. If you want to see real physics
modelling, download the GPL demo, now that's realistic and hopefully it
won't need 9 patches to make it _half_finished once it's released.

F1RS has bad AI... they drive straight into you and on some corners they
are so slow they are dangerous, like in the complex at Silverstone. The
replays suck, and feel half-finished. The damage model is rubbish. There
are still stupid bugs after 9 patches, like on certain tracks where on
exiting the replay, half the field becomes wiped out for no apparent
reason, and where if you decide to pit for fuel a lap early you must pit
again on your scheduled lap. The menus are crap, etc. etc.

See? I'm not basing it on how it reacts in the air. And for your
information I do have a 3dfx card- F1RS is simply unplayable without
one.

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I think the AI in F1RS is great. I have never had this problem you
describe. Maybe with the 3D sound I know where the other cars
are and don't make stupid mistakes?

I turned the replays off in Febuary.

OK.

Well ALLRIGHTIE then!!!

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This sounds like a double-negative to me. But just to be clear,
I drive F1RS without any of the helps turned on.

Congrats on mastering F1RS.

OK. Bugs such as???

all the

All the other patches before 1.09 sucked big time. I refused to move
up from 1.05 because all the other patches before 1.09 had a horrible
framerate.

physics

The only problem with the sound IMHO is the highspeed downshift. There
are replacement wave files on www.f1racingsim.com.  I was re-energized
about the game after I found all the addons for the game at that site.
There is a 98 carset, and replacement skylines for canada and Melbourne
and others. This along with an editor for just about everything you would
want to do with F1RS.

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The AI in GP2 could have been used for Nascar 2 :-)

I disagree.

Is F1RS perfect? Nope, and I never said it was. IMHO it is just the best
F1 racing game currently available.

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   Some people like F1RS, some don't.  

   For me, F1RS is the first racing sim I can drive like a car.  
I love that delicious feeling of*** the car on the edge
of adhesion.  

   I think that in GP2, the cars are either on rails, or
backward on the track.  Some feel that this is the way it would
be.  Drivers are quoted as saying that the transition between
traction and loss of control is very fast.  GP2 models a faster
transition than F1RS, but there are many things that go into a
physics model, and I'm not sure, on balance, that GP2 has them
better than F1RS.  I haven't heard Michael Schumacher post his
opinion.  

   So I'm enjoying F1RS, which feels VERY right, based on my
experience with sports and sporty cars I drive on roads,  I
loved GP2, which is as much like my car as a Starwars Tie
Fighter.  It has been retired.  

   I don't accuse those who disagree with me of being ass
kissers, I mean "arse" kissers.  How do you pronounce that
anyway?  

   If you prefer GP2, drive it.  I'll give each new F1 sim
a fair shot.  I'd love to see Starting Grid.  I'll drop them
a line someday, see what's up.  

                                                       Larry

You are playing a different game than I am, you are probably talking
about Psygnosis' F1 there. On my F1RS (playing expert mode) the
computer drivers don't hit me unless it is quite inevitable, like I am
sideways in a tight corner and they don't see me from a distance.
Like it has been said earlier in this forum already, one example of
how great the F1RS AI is that this is the only sim I've seen where the
computer drivers will go reverse and pass you from the other side if
you block their way completely. In all the others they either just sit
there forever, or drive through you.

GP2 is unplayable with any hardware, unless you play it in VGA
resolutions. And Microprose never fixed its lack of variable weather,
stupid AI, scripted spinouts and the unrealistic 'on-the-rails'
feeling in driving.

Now, now, let's all be friends.

I got GP2 and F1RS arounnd the same time and I've not put in too many hours on
GP2, whereas I've driven F1RS quite a lot. Principally because the menus and
UI in general in GP2 are truely appalling. You've obviously been around it a
long time and have got used to them, but give me the menus in F1RS any day of
the week.

As far as graphics goes, surely there is no comparison, GP2 looks like a relic
from a past age. Be honest now, do you really think GP2 has better graphics???
A graphics card is a requirement of most modern worthwhile games - I don't see
it as a problem that F1RS requires one.

PJ