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Seems to me you are doing a bit of bashing yourself here?
IMHO, GP2 is certainly *not* unplayable with any hardware, that is a  
slightly rash statement don't you think?

BTW, I own and drive *both* GP2 & F1RS, and think they *both* have
there good and bad points.

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Maybe you're playing a different version of F1RS to me, or maybe you're
just talking out your ringer. Ask most of the simracing experts and
they'll tell you F1RS AI is dangerously slow at certain parts, and they
WILL drive into you, particularly at the start of a race.

Too bad. As I say, I haven't played GP2 in a long while so it makes no
difference to me.

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All this is true. It'd be nice to have an F1 sim with a physics model as
advanced as GPL's.

Like 'arss'. :)

Starting Grid came out ages ago and apparently it's not much cop. At
least both F1RS and GP2 have their fans, Starting Grid does not.

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No one on this earth can say GP2 has better graphics than F1RS. Which is
why I never implied it :)

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Paul, are you French?

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    I got GP2 and F1RS arounnd the same time and I've not put in too many hours on
    GP2, whereas I've driven F1RS quite a lot. Principally because the menus and
    UI in general in GP2 are truely appalling. You've obviously been around it a
    long time and have got used to them, but give me the menus in F1RS any day of
    the week.

    PJ

I would consider a lot of what the AI do to be "realistic". Maybe not in character, but at least likely. However I think I know what everyone is referring to. The best way to demonstrate it is to put A tires on, or jump in a Sauber and start a race at Hockenheim. At any point you wish, try entering turn 1 with an equal or faster AI car up to 2 seconds behind you. No matter what, they will smash you out because there entry speed does not alter, regardless of traffic. I've tried a gazillion lines and nothing is a sure bet in there. It's either drive an equal car and setup or face a high possibility of getting knocked out of the race. I don't think that's much fun at all.

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    >Maybe you're playing a different version of F1RS to me, or maybe you're
    >just talking out your ringer. Ask most of the simracing experts and
    >they'll tell you F1RS AI is dangerously slow at certain parts, and they
    >WILL drive into you, particularly at the start of a race.

    Well so do the real F1 drivers. DUH. Maybe it is more realistic
    than you fella's want to think?

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Sorry - it was Christer Andersson who reckoned they were cartoonish - I got
confused who said what it the thread.

btw what's "spudgun" all about? You shoot potatoes, or what? :-)

Paul

        Rob.

I haven't tried N2, so I have no clue on what you mean here. I suspect it's not
a compliment on the GP2 AI, though :o). I have little experience with the AI in
F1RS, but what I experienced I didn't like. The way they drive straight in to
you in the first corner after start is as if they dont see you at all and still
I'm very close to the AI in front of me going into the corner. It looks real
strange in the replay. Then when coming up to lap an AI they dont behave very
realistic either. I have lapped a lot of AI in F1RS at expert mode and it's very
seldom they just let you pass. They race you as if it was for position. Once I
realized this I passed them as if I was racing for position too. This is not a
correct simulation of a real F1 race, IMO. I onced trailed an AI very close for
several laps without it ever going out of the racing line to let me by. So I
guess all I can say is that into the first corner and lapping the AI in GP2 gets
my vote. When lapping the AIs in GP2, they most of the time see you and leave
the racing line, but sometimes they dont, and that feels very realistic.

So you're saying that F1RS wins in graphics, physics _and_ AI? Or do you judge a
racing sim from other parameters than I do?

Another thing I didn't like about F1RS is that it hadn't kerbs on critical
sections of the track as the real tracks has. For example Melbourne, the fast
right hander before the first intemidiate - kerbs on the real track, no kerbs in
F1RS -, Interlagos, fast left hander before the second intemidiate, or the fast
right hander after the first intemidiate (cant remember which now) - kerbs on
the real track, no kerbs in F1RS. These are very critical corners on both tracks
and when you went through them a little to fast you hit the glue grass instead
of kerbs.

/Christer

/Christer

You can revv the engine much better if you set the gas pedal sensitivity
to around 90--100%. The default settings will do just that, rev
the engine from 0-17000 in about 0.1 seconds. Same goes for the
brakes, BTW.

Regards,

Uwe

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If you get side by side on a straight with an AI in GP2 they
will turn into you (seems very common these days in real life :-)
In F1RS a common complaint is the AI gives up the corner too
easy. No you people are complaining about the AI running into
your rear... I have run several 25% races at all 16 tracks and
do not have this problem at all. WIth the addition of more RAM
and a PCI sound card, all of my first lap slowdowns are gone.

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You never seen 'Bottom'? :)

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