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by **bertr** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:29:28

When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;
Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the
same thing happens.

Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it
wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a
previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a
problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo.

My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE;
DirectX 8.1.

Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo?

Thanks!
Bert

by **Doug Hoo** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:16

The read me states that dx9 is a requirement not just a recommended spec.

I. MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
=======================

Operating Systems:
Windows 98/ME/2000/XP

Minimum:
Pentium II 450 MHz processor
64 MB of RAM
16 MB Direct3D compatible video card
8X CD-ROM drive
DirectX 9.0 or later
OpenGL* 1.1 or later

by **Dave** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:06:06

>When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
>the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;
>Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the
>same thing happens.

>Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it
>wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a
>previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a
>problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo.

>My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE;
>DirectX 8.1.

>Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo?

I'm still using DX 8.1, Ti4200, 30.82 drivers, and the demo runs just
fine. I, too, was worried that DX9 would be mandatory, but apparently
not.

DP

by **Ed Solhei** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:12:45

Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed
the demo, read???

Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It
even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

/rant

:-)

--
ed_

----------------------------------------------------------------------
$10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:19:53

> The read me states that dx9 is a requirement not just a recommended spec.

> I. MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
> =======================

> Operating Systems:
> Windows 98/ME/2000/XP

> Minimum:
> Pentium II 450 MHz processor
> 64 MB of RAM
> 16 MB Direct3D compatible video card
> 8X CD-ROM drive
> DirectX 9.0 or later
> OpenGL* 1.1 or later

>> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
>> the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;
>> Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the
>> same thing happens.

>> Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it
>> wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a
>> previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a
>> problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo.

>> My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE;
>> DirectX 8.1.

>> Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo?

>> Thanks!
>> Bert

I have dx 8.1 and it ran just fine. I think it is supposed to work
BETTER with dx9 but it should still run with dx8.1. However I have a GF
not an ATI Radeon.
dave henrie

by **Dave** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:23:39

>> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
>> the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;

>> Could it be that DX 9 is required after all?

>Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed
>the demo, read???

>Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It
>even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

>/rant

No problems here running the demo with DX 8.1. I decided against
installing DX 9 unless absolutely necessary since it caused probs in
F1 2002 for me. Eric Busch mentioned in an earlier post that N2003
actually only uses 8.1, but 9.0 would be included on the CD.

DP

by **bertr** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:28:57

Thank you, Ed -- I saw that pop-up too. After all, I'm not blind.

But, according to some of the earlier speculation on this, and judging from
some of the other responses to this one, apparently DX9 is not required on all
systems after all.

** End of MY rant ** 8-)

So <ahem>, is anyone successfully running it on a Radeon 8500LE (or ANY Radeon
for that matter), Win 98SE and DX8.1?

Thanks!

> > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
> > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;

> > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all?

> Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed
> the demo, read???

> Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It
> even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

> /rant

> :-)

> --
> ed_

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

by **Bamada** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:51:13

My problem is "this application failed to start because binkw32.dll was not
found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem. D/L from
http://www.statracer.com/statracer/images/setups/SZODNr2003Demo.zip

by **Edward** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:55:48

I am Bert, DX 8.1 and the same card as you ATI 8500, but I am running XP,
don't know if that matters and the demo ran just fine.
If you want a more civilised response you know where to find me :-)
See ya Tues at Spa :-)

--
Edward
Commissioner
Middle-Aged Racers Association (MARA)
http://members.rogers.com/ecrawford1/mara/maramain.htm

> Thank you, Ed -- I saw that pop-up too. After all, I'm not blind.

> But, according to some of the earlier speculation on this, and judging
from
> some of the other responses to this one, apparently DX9 is not required on
all
> systems after all.

> ** End of MY rant ** 8-)

> So <ahem>, is anyone successfully running it on a Radeon 8500LE (or ANY
Radeon
> for that matter), Win 98SE and DX8.1?

> Thanks!

> > > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
> > > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;

> > > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all?

> > Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you
installed
> > the demo, read???

> > Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It
> > even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

> > /rant

> > :-)

> > --
> > ed_

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > $10 says Petter Solberg wins the 2003 WRC.

by **Bamada** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:05:48

errrr...nevermind. works anyway. however....after a full 5 minutes of test at
tally..turned on speed instead of time...speedometer pegs at 184 but lap times
186.__. if your running 184 tops how can you average 186.+
Oh well

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:15:15

In the draft you can top 190mph. Were alone in a test session?
dave henrie

by **bertr** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:16:49

Thanks to all who responded. I've solved the problem (at least
somewhat....)

The problem was that I had my RadeonLE overclocked to approx 290mhz. As
soon as I lowered it to 275, the video calibration for DirectX (8.1)
worked. Once calibrated, I was able to again overclock to 290 and run the
demo.

I haven't gotten the video calibration to work with OpenGL, though. Come to
think of it, the default Mhz for this card is 250, not 275, so I guess that
I'll try that tomorrow as it's already getting late.

FWIW, with DX8.1 and all graphic defaults, framerates were decent -- around
100 during testing session (Talledega) and around 55-60 during a race (with
the default 11 AI cars). I would expect OpenGL to be faster, since that's
the case with NR2002 with my system.

Thanks again to everyone -- You too, Ed S. 8-)

Bert

> When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
> the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;
> Radeon 8500LE; 800x600 16-bit. I tried changing this to OpenGL, and the
> same thing happens.

> Could it be that DX 9 is required after all? (If so, I wonder why it
> wasn't included in the demo file....) Based on the discussion in a
> previous thread, many thought that running it on DX8.1 would not be a
> problem. I hesitate "upgrading" to DX 9 just for this demo.

> My system is an AthlonXP1700; 512 megs Ram; Radeon 8500LE; Win 98SE;
> DirectX 8.1.

> Has anyone with a similar system had success in running this demo?

> Thanks!
> Bert

by **Eric Busc** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:18:21

Quite easily in fact. Remember that in Nascar the track length is
measured at a fixed distance in from the outside wall (I think it's like
6 to 10 feet), but since you spend so much time low in the turns so you
end up driving less than the actual measured length.

- Eric

by **Bamada** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:41:31

Sorry Dave...should have said running alone.

DOH !!! As always..Eric to the rescue, usually to point out the obvious to me
:)
Now if I could get the notchiness out of this MSFF wheel :(
Thanks,
Dan

by **Doug Elliso** » Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:12:54

> > When trying to run the demo for the first time, my system hangs during
> > the graphics tests. I'm using the Default settings - DirectX 8.1;

> > Could it be that DX 9 is required after all?

> Pardon me Bert; BUT - what did the last pop-up message when you installed
> the demo, read???

> Thats right! Right infront of your nose - it said DX 9.0 REQUIRED! It
> even had a link to M$' DX-site for crying out LOUD!

And what happened when I totally ignored it's request to install M'soft
public beta of a Direct X release? Nothing - it work 100% fine without
it - and ran at 40 - 70fps no problem.

Doug

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