rec.autos.simulators

Not "lies", just different experiences from yours.

As you can tell from (some!) postings here and other sources, your
experience is not necessarily representative of everyone else's.

Many people have already bought CPR (it is selling extremely well) and are
enjoying it immensely - we are getting lots of positive email to that
effect.

More "***" users like yourself have pointed problems from your
perspective with the game that we are working hard to address in the
upcoming patch ASAP.

Your opinion and views are valid - that's why we are releasing the patch -
but not everyone evaluates a product using the same criteria.

http://www.avault.com/reviews/cart1.asp

Another great review! It does a much better job of saying what I've been
trying to relay for the past two weeks. The best part is the sim will only
get better.
DmndDave

Now some people will say I'm biased and there is M$ behind this comment, but
for me my P133 with Monster 3D runs fine with all settings turned off except
dash and graphics setting to good. Even at this setting the graphics are
great. With the patch I hope to turn on some more settings and get even more
eye candy. Not everyone who is satisfied with the framerates are running P2
300MhZ machines.

Thanks
John
The APEX http://www.racesimcentral.net/~joja

My frame rate is more than double what yours is, even though we have similar
machines. There must be a reason for the disparity, although I don't know
what it could be.

Jim Getzen

Unofficial CART Precision Racing HQ
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Yeah, I loved the way it praised the AI - _very_ objective. For anyone
who wants to read a fair and measured review of MS-CART Precision
Racing, head to Digital Sportspage and read the review by Randy
Magruder. By far the most reasoned and objective review I've read of
CART. Most other sites review MS-CART from an arcade perspective, but
if you're looking for a sim they tell you nothing.

Cheers!
John

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:05:02 -0800, "Dean (CART Team)"

CPR is a very good first attempt and a lot of fun, but unfortunately the
demo, at least, doesn't stand up to too much close scrutiny at present.

If sales volume is your only measure of what is a good sim then your
comment is understandable, but....

Cheers,
Richard

I find the Trial Version entertaining to say the least.  I like the
feeling of speed, and I'm generally okay with the physics of the game.
I agree with what another poster said about CPR feeling more like a
go-cart than a race car, but I'm okay with that.  

CPR has even affected my enjoyment of ICR2, as it's magnified the flaws
I've felt about ICR2's handling...now it feels "mushy", particularly at
slower speeds.

NOTE: I just installed the newly released drivers for my Flash 3D Voodoo
card and saw a jump in framerates.  With the graphics options I have
selected (hardware acceleration on, all detail off, including***pit)
I'm now seeing FPS into the 30's, but generally in the high 20's on my
P133/64Mb.  With the***pit on, the frame counter hangs around 20.

Any way you can implement mirrors with the***pit OFF?

--

Neil Yeatman          
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

Mike

Have you noticed that Microprose isn't here answering questions about GP2
and its lack of *any* 3d card support, no multiplayer (not to mention free
internet play), no rain, no editors, no chance of future versions or
patches, etc.?

If the CPR does not satisfy you, and you see no hope for future satisfaction
through patches, then say your peace in a polite, constructive, mature
manner and go on your way. Many people (myself include) appreciate the sim's
strengths, and are having a blast with it.

If you want to see CPR become the best sim out there, and if you want other
companies to stop lurking in this newsgroup and start participating, treat
Dean, Eric, and John as resources, not punching bags.

Jim Getzen

Unofficial CART Precision Racing HQ
http://members.home.net/getzen/

I think people on this group will validate the efforts we are making
to recognize, reply to and address the issues - I think it is reasonable
to say we are not releasing the game and then walking away.

And before you say it, expect an announcement on the Monster Truck
Madness series shortly - this is also a long-term business for us.

Can someone (unconnected with MS) answer Joe's posting?

I'm a bit biased ...  ;  )

Maybe you are right but the only people that I have seen reporting smooth
framerates here were people with Pentium2 300 MHz machines or overclocked
machines.  I have a Pentium classic 200Mhz with a excellent motherboard and
plenty of system memory. I also use a Monster 3d.  Getting an average of
9-12 FPS with the***pit on is pretty darn sad with my machine.  All my
other games run very smooth including other D3D titles.

I apologize for the poor choice of words (lies and bullshit) but I have been
very disappointed about this game and that article irritated me further.
Though I still think that article has M$ money behind it. As a passionate
user of racing sims, I got a bit over emotional about my
disappointments....but 54.99 + tax is lot to swallow when your are
unhappy....Nevertheless, I hope that the patch gets this game up a few
levels. I really want to like this game but in its current state is just not
going to happen.

Eric

As it probably would me, however I don't quite see that going on here. I
applaud these guys for their participation and response in this newsgroup.
And I ain't even an Indycar man <g>
--
Don Burnette
Music City Racing

On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:17:33 -0500, "Jim Getzen"

Cheers!
John

Yes, but what is the return rate like or is going to be like. Will you
tell us those numbers as well. High sales with high returns is not
desirable.

Edward

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:05:02 -0800, "Dean (CART Team)"