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Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

constantin

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by constantin » Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:10:11

This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation on a
computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and have to
decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

Thanks..

Michael Rieger

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Michael Rieger » Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:35:30


> This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
> shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation on a
> computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and have to
> decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

> Thanks..

http://www.forbesautos.com/gallery/2005/ferrari/f430/?slide=18&play=t

This shows a Ferrari with the DOWN on the left. I am assuming that UP would
be on the right.

Mike

Michael Sisso

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Michael Sisso » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:06:24



Shift down on the left. Up on the right.

For using a sequential 'back/forward' shifter it is pull towards
yourself to shift up, push away to shift down.

Anyone that doesn't shift this way is a freak and should be socially
avoided. Full stop. End of discussion.

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Alan Bernard

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Alan Bernard » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:02:02


I couldn't conceive using the right for shifting down and the left for
shifting up.

I don't understand you question about "what side of the column...."  If you
mean the actual column (the gear-shifter, that is) on an actual car, then
there's no logical transference from there to the paddles on a computer
racing wheel.

But for a person who is right-handed and views the world as a right-hander,
right is always up and left is always down, the exact opposite of my
political views.

Alanb

Alan Bernard

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Alan Bernard » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:07:57




>> This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
>> shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation on
>> a
>> computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and have to
>> decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

>> Thanks..

> Shift down on the left. Up on the right.

> For using a sequential 'back/forward' shifter it is pull towards
> yourself to shift up, push away to shift down.

I don't agree with this.  The Logitech Momo wheel has this type of stick;
and though I don't use it for shifting because it means I can't have two
hands on the wheel at all times, when I did use it to shift pushing away was
always shifting up and pulling down was always shifting down.  I mean, it's
away from you and up and down towards you and down.  There's no way I can
conceive of this any differently.

Alan

Michael Sisso

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Michael Sisso » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:28:07


says...



> > For using a sequential 'back/forward' shifter it is pull towards
> > yourself to shift up, push away to shift down.

> I don't agree with this.  The Logitech Momo wheel has this type of stick;
> and though I don't use it for shifting because it means I can't have two
> hands on the wheel at all times, when I did use it to shift pushing away was
> always shifting up and pulling down was always shifting down.  I mean, it's
> away from you and up and down towards you and down.  There's no way I can
> conceive of this any differently.

> Alan

FREAK!

I ain't talking to you no more.

MRSisson

P.S. http://youtube.com/watch?v=8w7FpDU7b2w

P.P.S. I'd think that real life drivers do it this way is due to the
positive and negative Gs under accel and decel - pull when positive,
push when negative. Just a guess. Hey, I'm not talking to you!

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Albert Ros

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Albert Ros » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:47:02




>> This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
>> shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation on
>> a computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and have
>> to decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

>> Thanks..

> I couldn't conceive using the right for shifting down and the left for
> shifting up.

> I don't understand you question about "what side of the column...."  If
> you mean the actual column (the gear-shifter, that is) on an actual car,
> then there's no logical transference from there to the paddles on a
> computer racing wheel.

> But for a person who is right-handed and views the world as a
> right-hander, right is always up and left is always down, the exact
> opposite of my political views.

> Alanb

I understood him perfectly well. He can only be talking about the paddles
either side of the 'column'.

Right = up and left = down.

For sequential lever; back = up and forward = down.

Tony

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Tony » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:24:13


> For using a sequential 'back/forward' shifter it is pull towards
> yourself to shift up, push away to shift down.

I think this is the most intuitive - think of a typical H pattern and
you pull towards yourself to change up to 4th and push away to change
down to 3rd, similar with 1st and 2nd. Other changes are dog legs so you
don't have the same sensation.

BUT just about every road car tiptronic box is set the other way - up
push forward, down pull back.

So this thread should have some form of disclaimer :)

Cheers
Tony

Alan Bernard

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Alan Bernard » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:44:10

haha

Alanb

Alan Bernard

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Alan Bernard » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:46:53






>>> This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
>>> shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation on
>>> a computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and have
>>> to decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

>>> Thanks..

>> I couldn't conceive using the right for shifting down and the left for
>> shifting up.

>> I don't understand you question about "what side of the column...."  If
>> you mean the actual column (the gear-shifter, that is) on an actual car,
>> then there's no logical transference from there to the paddles on a
>> computer racing wheel.

>> But for a person who is right-handed and views the world as a
>> right-hander, right is always up and left is always down, the exact
>> opposite of my political views.

>> Alanb

> I understood him perfectly well. He can only be talking about the paddles
> either side of the 'column'.

> Right = up and left = down.

> For sequential lever; back = up and forward = down.

Oh, that column.  Well, I thought he was talking of the actual shifter
column in a real car.  But the paddles and right for up and left for down I
understood.  I've never heard of anyone using the right for downshifting.
That would be very odd.

Alanb

Albert Ros

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Albert Ros » Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:19:48








>>>> This is maybe a silly question, but which side of the column is usually
>>>> shifting up? Left or right?  We are just setting up a GTR2 simulation
>>>> on a computer with a Logitech steering wheel that has paddle shift and
>>>> have to decide which side to allocate up and which side down.

>>>> Thanks..

>>> I couldn't conceive using the right for shifting down and the left for
>>> shifting up.

>>> I don't understand you question about "what side of the column...."  If
>>> you mean the actual column (the gear-shifter, that is) on an actual car,
>>> then there's no logical transference from there to the paddles on a
>>> computer racing wheel.

>>> But for a person who is right-handed and views the world as a
>>> right-hander, right is always up and left is always down, the exact
>>> opposite of my political views.

>>> Alanb

>> I understood him perfectly well. He can only be talking about the paddles
>> either side of the 'column'.

>> Right = up and left = down.

>> For sequential lever; back = up and forward = down.

> Oh, that column.  Well, I thought he was talking of the actual shifter
> column in a real car.  But the paddles and right for up and left for down
> I understood.  I've never heard of anyone using the right for
> downshifting. That would be very odd.

Obviously it's the steering column. Never heard anyone call the gear lever a
'column' before...very odd term to use.
Juare

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by Juare » Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:57:38


> Shift down on the left. Up on the right.

> For using a sequential 'back/forward' shifter it is pull towards
> yourself to shift up, push away to shift down.

> Anyone that doesn't shift this way is a freak and should be socially
> avoided. Full stop. End of discussion.

> MRSisson

I'm a real freak, and lazy, I use auto-shifting. F1 cars have
semi-auto-shifting anyway.
MikeWh

Logitech momo FF wheel and paddle shift

by MikeWh » Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:28:06


F1 regs require the driver to initiate the shift; the shift is actually done
by the hydraulics and computers. It can refuse to shift if it would be
outside parameters (too fast for the lower gear), and it can retry the shift
repeatedly if it fails to engage, but it can't choose its own timing. It
also won't cue the downshift for later; it can only shift, or not shift.

IMO, auto-shift is sub-optimal and just makes for surprises. It might not be
so bad with traction control and ABS, but that's not driving an F1 car. All
3 technologies are verboten by their rules.


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