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>Prevents a lot of misunderstandings and people taking comments out of
>context. Also prevents us from having to continually restate our entire
>viewpoint within a thread.

> About 15 years or so..maybe
> more, maybe less...one of the car magazines here in the States compared a
> Race Winning Porche 962 from the Imsa series( a really beautiful car, the
> 962 remains one of Porche's crowning acheivements) and matched it up against
> a Winston Cup car for a speed test on an oval.  Guess what?  The big heavy
> square WC car easily bested the sleek aero Porche.

>   I follow the races, but not the in-depth stuff about F1; does a team's
> sponsor have a say into what driver is hired, as in other series?

> -John

> > > So, what do you guys think of Jos Verstappen?

> > Odd flashes of brilliance, but he can't do that every race weekend.
He's
> > probably also been mentally screwed-over by his Team Schumacher
(Benetton)
> > experienc in 1994.  In my opinion, he's had enough changes, and he's not
> > good enough.

> > Actually... I think the same about the majority of the current F1 grid.
> The
> > only gems are: Michael Schumacher, Juan Pablo Montoya, Giancarlo
> Fisichella
> > and possibly Ralf Schumacher.  One or two could 'come good': Kimi
> Raikonnen,
> > Nick Heidfeld, Takuma Sato - but the rest all need throwing out.

> > --
> > Richard.

> > "Rocky Raccoon checked into his room Only to find Gideon's bible."

>   Don't know in the FIA world, but that's a good question.   In my stupid
> Nascar fan world(see Sir Troll's post above<G>), for good or bad, the
> sponsors have a LOT of impact on tv coverage; they all want their car to
be
> shown at some point, and not all advertise on the station involved.

>   FOX can speak for trying to limit the exposure of those sponsors who
> didn't choose FOX to advertise on  :)  I think their, cough, ears<G>, are
> still burning :)

> -John

> > >  Good point.  Though you'd think the sponsors of these cars would put
a
> bit
> > >of pressure on the FIA/TV folks to give them some air time too.

> > >-John

> > >> If they had points scoring positions down to 10 or 12, like CART
there
> > >would
> > >> be a reason fot TV cameras to follow battles further down the field.

> > Yes, but do ANY sponsors really have any weight with the TV people...?
> They're
> > not advertising on that station, so I don't see them having any clout.

> > Eldred
> > --
> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > GPLRank - under construction...

> > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
> you
> > with experience...
> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > I follow the races, but not the in-depth stuff about F1; does a team's
> > sponsor have a say into what driver is hired, as in other series?

> Absolutely.  There are a thousand and one other (non-talent) reasons why a
> driver can be in a car.

> --
> Richard.

> "Looking through a glass onion."

>   Well there is another factor we have overlooked.  Driver talent from a
> world wide gene pool certainly would be higher, but, the physical aspects
> that make a great driver...better vision, better hand eye co-ordination,
> better inate understanding of what a car is doing, these will all come to
> naught if there is no track knowledge.
>   I know what you are thinking,  an oval is an oval, but setupwise that
> couldn't be further from the truth.  Even a hot setup in a spring race may
> be JUNK at the summer event.  Here is where the Southern boys have an
> advantage because this is there backyard.  This is something they grew up
> surrounded by.  Chad Little was from my neck of the woods,  Big fish in a
> small pond.  He dominated the Winston West series up in the Pacific NW.
> He goes to the Busch series and does well.  He joins WC with a top flight
> team and is embarrased..twice.    Driver talent does impact finishing
order
> but so too does the driver/crew chief communication.  Over the course of a
> season, a road-racer would be hard pressed to find the tiny tiny changes
> that make a WC a 'rocket-ship' and those that turn it into junk.
> Certainly there would be places that natural talent would shine through,
> especially I think, the flatter tracks, but over all for a season's worth
of
> racing...It would take several years for a RR to get consitant top 5
> finishes.
> dave henrie


> > You obviously didn't read this whole thread.

> > We were speaking about driverS (plural-a group) that all happen to come
> from
> > a particular region of one country. It's ridiculous to say that as a
group
> > they can be considered the equals of other drivers (F1) who come from a
> > much, much larger talent pool.

> > I did not say that simply because a person is born in the South, that he
> is
> > certain to be lacking talent.

> > Let's see if your southern manners allow you to apologize.

> > David G Fisher

> > > And obviously not being from the southern part of the US has limited
> your
> > > intelligence...Moron.  Where a person is born or raised has very
little
> to
> > > do with natural talent.  Some have the ability to drive, others the
> > ability
> > > play sports, others the ability to simply be a better jerk than those
> > around
> > > them, but not because of where they are born.

> > > And as far as life in general goes, I would much rather live mine
around
> > the
> > > type people who the south is remebered for.  People who are not afraid
> to
> > > work for what they believe in  and desire, and people who would give
you
> > the
> > > shirt off their back to help you if you needed it, whether you request
> the
> > > help or not.  Those, sir, are the real people of the US.

> > > So if you want to call me a redneck, then go right ahead.  Because as
> long
> > > as I am a redneck, no one will confuse me with your type.  That I am
> proud
> > > of.

> > > Glen Pittman
> > > Officially now a Redneck.

> > > > >   Finally last I checked,  Jeff Gordon doesn't qualify as a
> > > redneck...he's
> > > > a
> > > > > Californian by way of Indiana.

> > > > Talks like one. :-)

> > > > >Simply because drivers originate from a
> > > > > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that somehow
> > limit
> > > > > their abilities?

> > > > Definitely.

> > > > David G Fisher

> Win it with the best team in the best car.

> Definitely not.

> > But you sure did wrote that "Definitely" on purpose, in hope of catching
> > somebody to get more attention to you.  Don't even say you did not, it's
> > blatant rhetoric manipulation.

> However too many points can be a bad thing, like drivers having 1000s of
> points in NASCAR, it can get very confusing.  The ideal points scoring
> system is yet to be found.


> >   Don't know in the FIA world, but that's a good question.   In my
stupid
> > Nascar fan world(see Sir Troll's post above<G>), for good or bad, the
> > sponsors have a LOT of impact on tv coverage; they all want their car to
> be
> > shown at some point, and not all advertise on the station involved.

> >   FOX can speak for trying to limit the exposure of those sponsors who
> > didn't choose FOX to advertise on  :)  I think their, cough, ears<G>,
are
> > still burning :)

> > -John

> > > >  Good point.  Though you'd think the sponsors of these cars would
put
> a
> > bit
> > > >of pressure on the FIA/TV folks to give them some air time too.

> > > >-John

> > > >> If they had points scoring positions down to 10 or 12, like CART
> there
> > > >would
> > > >> be a reason fot TV cameras to follow battles further down the
field.

> > > Yes, but do ANY sponsors really have any weight with the TV people...?
> > They're
> > > not advertising on that station, so I don't see them having any clout.

> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > > GPLRank - under construction...

> > > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> > you
> > > with experience...
> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > A thread is a conversation. If someone is going to participate in that
> > thread, they should read as much of it as possible before jumping in.
It's
> > why we should "group messages by conversation" (an option in OE).

> > Prevents a lot of misunderstandings and people taking comments out of
> > context. Also prevents us from having to continually restate our entire
> > viewpoint within a thread.

> > I thought we all knew this?

> You're sidestepping.  Eldred has you perfectly in context.  No misquotes
> or misunderstandings to it.

> --

> Fester

> > > The question:
> > > >> > >Simply because drivers originate from a
> > > >> > > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that
somehow
> > > >limit
> > > >> > > their abilities?

> > > Your answer:
> > > >> > Definitely.

> > > >> > David G Fisher

> > > I can see where and why he got upset with your answer.  I know what
you
> > may
> > > have MEANT, but you stated it wrong in this case.  Your answer says
that
> > being
> > > from the Southern US limits their abilities.  You didn't say ANYTHING
> > about the
> > > number of drivers in the 'talent pool' as you like to call it...

> > > Eldred
> > > --
> > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > > GPLRank - under construction...

> > > Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then
beats
> > you
> > > with experience...
> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > Win it with the best team in the best car.

> Hmm, isn't what Schumacher has done all his life?  His WC all come when
his
> car is at best.  It's exactly my point, give both an equal car (ex: JV's
> championship), he's the only one who can beat him currently in F1.

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> >Prevents a lot of misunderstandings and people taking comments out of
> >context. Also prevents us from having to continually restate our entire
> >viewpoint within a thread.

> Out of context?  You responded to a direct question with a direct answer.
> Sounds like it's in context to me...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank - under construction...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.