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by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:07:12

And obviously not being from the southern part of the US has limited your
intelligence...Moron. Where a person is born or raised has very little to
do with natural talent. Some have the ability to drive, others the ability
play sports, others the ability to simply be a better jerk than those around
them, but not because of where they are born.

And as far as life in general goes, I would much rather live mine around the
type people who the south is remebered for. People who are not afraid to
work for what they believe in and desire, and people who would give you the
shirt off their back to help you if you needed it, whether you request the
help or not. Those, sir, are the real people of the US.

So if you want to call me a redneck, then go right ahead. Because as long
as I am a redneck, no one will confuse me with your type. That I am proud
of.

Glen Pittman
Officially now a Redneck.

> > Finally last I checked, Jeff Gordon doesn't qualify as a
redneck...he's
> a
> > Californian by way of Indiana.

> Talks like one. :-)

> >Simply because drivers originate from a
> > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that somehow limit
> > their abilities?

> Definitely.

> David G Fisher

by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:14:50

Put Jeff Gordon into the same situation as MS as far as experience in Open
wheel F1 parade cars go and you would have a great race indeed. When the
cars are equal as much as they are in Nascar, driver error costs a ton of
track position. In F1, no one knows whether the driver makes an error or
not most times, because there is no one close enough to make it noticeable.
Lose a half a second in one turn and no one would notice 95% of the time.
There are 10-12 more turns to make it back up. Same thing in Nascar just
screwed up half your lap. So it could be argued that mistakes are more
costly in Nascar, so those who repeatedly win, must make very few of them.

by **ymenar** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:16:04

> Ahhh but Senna raced against Alain Prost...Schumy had...what for
> competition???

The only driver capable of beating him with an equal car... Jacques
Villeneuve.

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by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:19:24

43 cars, and maybe 1 or 2 replace the driver for Road Courses. And even
then, the Road Course drivers that are brought in can't beat the normal fast
Nascar Drivers.

by **Eldre** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:23:24

> Good point. Though you'd think the sponsors of these cars would put a bit
>of pressure on the FIA/TV folks to give them some air time too.

>-John

>> If they had points scoring positions down to 10 or 12, like CART there
>would
>> be a reason fot TV cameras to follow battles further down the field.

Yes, but do ANY sponsors really have any weight with the TV people...? They're
not advertising on that station, so I don't see them having any clout.

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by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:24:30

When you can't make the torque, you substitute with extra gears....

by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:32:57

Could be the water. Could also be the fact that we in the south are
genetically altered to be superior. Michael Jordan was supposed to be the
first Black to be a Champion in nascar, but somehow found his way over to
the basketball Court. Wish we could have saved the resources wasted there.
Great Kid, would've been a great driver, course, his legs were a little to
long for most of the cars raced elsewhere. Maybe it is in the water. We
grow people to big here to fit in those little cars other people like to
race. Wanna Wrassle?

> What did I say about the motorcycle race?

> As for the aids, just about every current F1 driver has already proved he
> could handle the cars without them. The drivers were actually sliding the
> cars more this year becasue they were going faster and dancing even closer
> to the edge.

> A bunch of old, fat, farts in NASCAR are never going to be close in talent
> to the F1 drivers. I said this onece before (and got a predictable
> response)........how can a group of drivers from one series which are
almost
> completely from one region (the south), in one country, possibly be of the
> same level of talent as drivers from another series (F1) that come from
all
> over the world? Is there something in the water "down there"?

> David G Fisher

> > "jlohman"
> > I'm a racing fan...not a Nascar fan, not an F1 fan, but a racing
> fan..Heck
> > I even watch an occasional IRL event.(oops mini-slam) But I do have
> > preferences...I'll generally watch open wheel races first, But touring
> car,
> > Trans Am, Desert, Hydroplanes...even lawnmowers have caught my eye...
> Thes
> > absolute best race I saw last year was the AMA SUperbike race at
> > Brainerd(and yes I remember what DGF said about that :> ). So let me
> play
> > the Devil's advocate for a moment or two...

> > > Well, whats to slam? Other than the fact that the races are quite
boring
> > to
> > > watch most of the time. They can't slam the drivers, F1 drivers are
the
> > best
> > > in the world.
> > Ever watch Rallye drivers? I don't hear of too many Rallye drivers
> > comming up from kiddie go-karts.( ;> ) Winston Cup drivers don't need a
> > computer controlling the engine during pit stops...they hit the pitspeed
> > limits WITHOUT a rev-limiter. Touring car drivers don't need a computer
> to
> > get them going from a standing start like F1 drivers. Just what makes
> them
> > the best?

> > > The tracks are the most legandary tracks in the world.
> > Is that why most have been butchered so that they barely resemble the
> > Legendary tracks they 'USED' to be? Tell me the current incarnation of
> > Imola is 'legendary.' Is Hungary a better track than Mid Ohio? or
> Phillip
> > Island? Is Silverstone better than Brands Hatch?

> > > The cars are the most advanced cars in the world.
> > Yup they sure are...gotta have a computer program to get them
> > moving...most of the time that is. They gotta have another program to
> keep
> > the tires from spinning.
> > But two outta three ain't bad...
> > Beleive me I watch more F1 than Nascar, but each has it's appeal.
The
> > list of things WRONG with F1 is probably much longer than that for
Nascar.
> > But both, in fact all racing series, have shortcomings that could be
> > improved to provide a better racing product for us the fans.
> > dave henrie

by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:37:41

Still doesn't mean that the best F1 driver is better than the best Nascar
Driver though. If talent is what you are discussing, then the chance of the
best coming from the south is jsut as likely as from anywhere else in the
world. There is only one person who can be THE BEST. And he probably don't
even drive for a living.....

> > > You didn't tell me what I said about the motorcycle race, and you
didn't
> > > really answer my question.
> > Sorry ...something about 4 kids on trikes running around the block
> could
> > be a good race.

> You jogged my memory so I looked up the thread.

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by **jlohma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:48:59

Right, I forgot, silly me, these Nascars also wiegh more than my road car.

So, what your saying that the FIA decided that F1 cars did not have enough
torque, and that because of this they allowed the cars to have more than 4
gears? This is so stupid, this is exactly why I think Nascar fans are
idiots.

I really do need to make a filter to elimate all these Nascar post. I'm sure
I'm on several ignore list as well. :-)

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:11:05

You obviously didn't read this whole thread.

We were speaking about driverS (plural-a group) that all happen to come from
a particular region of one country. It's ridiculous to say that as a group
they can be considered the equals of other drivers (F1) who come from a
much, much larger talent pool.

I did not say that simply because a person is born in the South, that he is
certain to be lacking talent.

Let's see if your southern manners allow you to apologize.

David G Fisher

> And obviously not being from the southern part of the US has limited your
> intelligence...Moron. Where a person is born or raised has very little to
> do with natural talent. Some have the ability to drive, others the
ability
> play sports, others the ability to simply be a better jerk than those
around
> them, but not because of where they are born.

> And as far as life in general goes, I would much rather live mine around
the
> type people who the south is remebered for. People who are not afraid to
> work for what they believe in and desire, and people who would give you
the
> shirt off their back to help you if you needed it, whether you request the
> help or not. Those, sir, are the real people of the US.

> So if you want to call me a redneck, then go right ahead. Because as long
> as I am a redneck, no one will confuse me with your type. That I am proud
> of.

> Glen Pittman
> Officially now a Redneck.

> > > Finally last I checked, Jeff Gordon doesn't qualify as a
> redneck...he's
> > a
> > > Californian by way of Indiana.

> > Talks like one. :-)

> > >Simply because drivers originate from a
> > > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that somehow
limit
> > > their abilities?

> > Definitely.

> > David G Fisher

by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:40:29

Don't know in the FIA world, but that's a good question. In my stupid
Nascar fan world(see Sir Troll's post above<G>), for good or bad, the
sponsors have a LOT of impact on tv coverage; they all want their car to be
shown at some point, and not all advertise on the station involved.

FOX can speak for trying to limit the exposure of those sponsors who
didn't choose FOX to advertise on :) I think their, cough, ears<G>, are
still burning :)

-John

> > Good point. Though you'd think the sponsors of these cars would put a
bit
> >of pressure on the FIA/TV folks to give them some air time too.

> >-John

> >> If they had points scoring positions down to 10 or 12, like CART there
> >would
> >> be a reason fot TV cameras to follow battles further down the field.

> Yes, but do ANY sponsors really have any weight with the TV people...?
They're
> not advertising on that station, so I don't see them having any clout.

> Eldred
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by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:26:10

Oh, my manners certainly allow it. But unfortunately for you, only when
appropriate, which in this case, is not.

You responded...

Definitely.

But that doesn't imply that because they are from the south, they lack
talent? Are abilities and talent not extremely similar?

> You obviously didn't read this whole thread.

> We were speaking about driverS (plural-a group) that all happen to come
from
> a particular region of one country. It's ridiculous to say that as a group
> they can be considered the equals of other drivers (F1) who come from a
> much, much larger talent pool.

> I did not say that simply because a person is born in the South, that he
is
> certain to be lacking talent.

> Let's see if your southern manners allow you to apologize.

> David G Fisher

> > And obviously not being from the southern part of the US has limited
your
> > intelligence...Moron. Where a person is born or raised has very little
to
> > do with natural talent. Some have the ability to drive, others the
> ability
> > play sports, others the ability to simply be a better jerk than those
> around
> > them, but not because of where they are born.

> > And as far as life in general goes, I would much rather live mine around
> the
> > type people who the south is remebered for. People who are not afraid
to
> > work for what they believe in and desire, and people who would give you
> the
> > shirt off their back to help you if you needed it, whether you request
the
> > help or not. Those, sir, are the real people of the US.

> > So if you want to call me a redneck, then go right ahead. Because as
long
> > as I am a redneck, no one will confuse me with your type. That I am
proud
> > of.

> > Glen Pittman
> > Officially now a Redneck.

> > > > Finally last I checked, Jeff Gordon doesn't qualify as a
> > redneck...he's
> > > a
> > > > Californian by way of Indiana.

> > > Talks like one. :-)

> > > >Simply because drivers originate from a
> > > > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that somehow
> limit
> > > > their abilities?

> > > Definitely.

> > > David G Fisher

by **Glen Pittma** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:27:09

Allowed, or needed?

by **Eldre** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:11:54

>You obviously didn't read this whole thread.

>We were speaking about driverS (plural-a group) that all happen to come from
>a particular region of one country. It's ridiculous to say that as a group
>they can be considered the equals of other drivers (F1) who come from a
>much, much larger talent pool.

>I did not say that simply because a person is born in the South, that he is
>certain to be lacking talent.

>Let's see if your southern manners allow you to apologize.

>David G Fisher

The question:

Your answer:

I can see where and why he got upset with your answer. I know what you may
have MEANT, but you stated it wrong in this case. Your answer says that being
from the Southern US limits their abilities. You didn't say ANYTHING about the
number of drivers in the 'talent pool' as you like to call it...

Eldred
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by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:49:15

A thread is a conversation. If someone is going to participate in that
thread, they should read as much of it as possible before jumping in. It's
why we should "group messages by conversation" (an option in OE).

Prevents a lot of misunderstandings and people taking comments out of
context. Also prevents us from having to continually restate our entire
viewpoint within a thread.

I thought we all knew this?

David G Fisher

> >You obviously didn't read this whole thread.

> >We were speaking about driverS (plural-a group) that all happen to come
from
> >a particular region of one country. It's ridiculous to say that as a
group
> >they can be considered the equals of other drivers (F1) who come from a
> >much, much larger talent pool.

> >I did not say that simply because a person is born in the South, that he
is
> >certain to be lacking talent.

> >Let's see if your southern manners allow you to apologize.

> >David G Fisher

> The question:
> >> > >Simply because drivers originate from a
> >> > > paticulary part of the country(the Southern US) does that somehow
> >limit
> >> > > their abilities?

> Your answer:
> >> > Definitely.

> >> > David G Fisher

> I can see where and why he got upset with your answer. I know what you
may
> have MEANT, but you stated it wrong in this case. Your answer says that
being
> from the Southern US limits their abilities. You didn't say ANYTHING
about the
> number of drivers in the 'talent pool' as you like to call it...

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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you
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