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GPL - Which Formula for You?

big..

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by big.. » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi All,

Having just had a revelation with the F1s after driving F2s all
the time, I'm wondering which formula everyone else prefers.

For me, F3s are just too slow, but that's not to say
they don't require their own skill set. I think I'm just not
smooth enough to make an F3 go fast.

Anyway, F2s are great fun and I just tried F1s to see if I
could stay on the track. Amazingly, I could, although I'll
continue to use F2s to learn new tracks. For racing, I
just love the F1s. I expect that when racing against others
online I'll be too slow in an F1 to make it worthwhile, so
I may have to race F2s online.

Which formula do others prefer and why?

-Nick

Chuck Kandle

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Chuck Kandle » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00


> Hi All,

> Having just had a revelation with the F1s after driving F2s all
> the time, I'm wondering which formula everyone else prefers.

> For me, F3s are just too slow, but that's not to say
> they don't require their own skill set. I think I'm just not
> smooth enough to make an F3 go fast.

> Anyway, F2s are great fun and I just tried F1s to see if I
> could stay on the track. Amazingly, I could, although I'll
> continue to use F2s to learn new tracks. For racing, I
> just love the F1s. I expect that when racing against others
> online I'll be too slow in an F1 to make it worthwhile, so
> I may have to race F2s online.

> Which formula do others prefer and why?

> -Nick

F3's by far.  The racing is much closer & more intense.  You can't as
easily cover over mistakes & bad lines with a jab of right foot.

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Speedy Fas

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Speedy Fas » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00


I've never played anything but F1.  Why would I want to drive a GPL
any slower than what it was designed for?

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m.seer

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by m.seer » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Fierce, close racing and intense competition is my motivation for driving F3
cars. I love it when these F1 guys think that it's beneath them and then get
blitzed by the competition when they finally bite the bullet <G>

MS

big..

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by big.. » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Actually, I admire F3 racers for having the patience to drive
the slow cars and the skill to drive them faster than I can :)

-Nick


>> I've never played anything but F1.  Why would I want to drive a GPL
>> any slower than what it was designed for?
> Fierce, close racing and intense competition is my motivation for driving F3
> cars. I love it when these F1 guys think that it's beneath them and then get
> blitzed by the competition when they finally bite the bullet <G>
> MS

Ville V Sinkk

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Ville V Sinkk » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00



> F3's by far.  The racing is much closer & more intense.  You can't as
> easily cover over mistakes & bad lines with a jab of right foot.

And there's nothing more thrilling and exciting as racing Spa on an
F3.  .)

+Cinquo

Jan Verschuere

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

F3 is getting extreme... I just took 2 seconds off my PB for Silverstone

Jan.
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Chuck Kandle

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Chuck Kandle » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00




> > F3's by far.  The racing is much closer & more intense.  You can't as
> > easily cover over mistakes & bad lines with a jab of right foot.

> And there's nothing more thrilling and exciting as racing Spa on an
> F3.  .)

> +Cinquo

I find the same to be true with F3's out at Rouen.  Very thrilling!  And
on top of that, my 'Ring time is almost identical with the F3's as
compared to the F1's!  Much easier to control there.

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From the song "War Machine", 1982

Michael E. Carve

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Michael E. Carve » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00


% Fierce, close racing and intense competition is my motivation for driving F3
% cars. I love it when these F1 guys think that it's beneath them and then get
% blitzed by the competition when they finally bite the bullet <G>

If more F1 pilots would spend more time learning their craft, we would
see more and more close competitive racing in F1 races.  But I would say
that about 82% of the F1 pilots can't drive more than 4 laps before
messing up.  Now in some of the leagues I drive in, there is intense
competitive racing.  Not to sound harsh or condescending to the F2/3
drivers out there, but these formulas are basically a handicapping
system (call them driver aids) to force better piloting of the race car.
Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking f2/3.  But for me, the real
challenge is to master an overly powerful car and race with other
drivers that want to meet the same challenge.  F2/3 racing doesn't have
the that challenge for me.  But that is a personal taste and the F2/3
folks are entitled to their fun.

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Gavin Thoma

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Gavin Thoma » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00



> >Hi All,

> >Having just had a revelation with the F1s after driving F2s all
> >the time, I'm wondering which formula everyone else prefers.

> >For me, F3s are just too slow, but that's not to say
> >they don't require their own skill set. I think I'm just not
> >smooth enough to make an F3 go fast.

> >Anyway, F2s are great fun and I just tried F1s to see if I
> >could stay on the track. Amazingly, I could, although I'll
> >continue to use F2s to learn new tracks. For racing, I
> >just love the F1s. I expect that when racing against others
> >online I'll be too slow in an F1 to make it worthwhile, so
> >I may have to race F2s online.

> I've never played anything but F1.  Why would I want to drive a GPL
> any slower than what it was designed for?

I too used to think like that, but now when I do get to play multiplayer on
a LAN, we tend to do 50% F2, 50% F1.
Why F1. Well, as you say, its the fastest, and basically its a competition
of who can tame these beasts most effectively.
Why F2. The kick from F2 is that because they are easier to control, most of
us lap with similar times. Hence, you tend to learn a lot about racecraft.
In fact I would recommend racing F2 online first if you are a newbie, before
graduating to F1 online.

Why not F3, well they are just TOO slow ;)

Of course, these are all my humble opinions which could be quite wrong :)

Gavin


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Graeme Nas

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Graeme Nas » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Give me the same amount of practice you guys have had and I'll smoke you
off the track <g> :-)

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash

m.seer

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by m.seer » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Is that a challenge Graeme <G>

MS

Jan Verschuere

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hehehe... I want a piece of him too. Give him a wildcard Mark.

Jan.
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Graeme Nas

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Graeme Nas » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, but gimme 6-7 months first :-)

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Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Ron Ayto

GPL - Which Formula for You?

by Ron Ayto » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00



Hi,
I prefer F3 racing in GPL for a number of reasons..
A few of the reason have been already mentioned in this thread, but another
reason why i prefer F3 is that latency does not effect F3 on-line racing as
much as it does F2 or F1.
In F3 racing, latencys of up to .750 are acceptable as long as quality is
good, try that in F1 or to a lesser degree in F2 and you will be warping
and flickering all over the place.
To me, the F3 class of racing is the ultimate on-line challenge, where i am
pitting other driver's skill levels and race craft against my own in a less
out-of-control enviroment than GPL F1 could ever hope to produce with the
current state of net technology..
IMO, with GPL F1, the main challenge is to yourself, taming the F1 cars is
a challenge and that is where the biggest challenge lies in F1, where as in
F3, the challenge is pitting your driving and race craft skills against
other human players in a better controlled racing enviroment.
I often read how drivers should start with the F3 cars, then advance to F2
then to F1, i started with F1, advanced to F2 and now race the ultimate,
the F3 class.
I am not joking there, as i feel that the F3 class requires just as much,
if not more skill to go fast and be competitive than the F1 cars do.
Sure, as everyone keeps saying, "anyone can drive a F3 car",   well the
same applies to a F1 car, anyone can drive a F1 car too, but how many can
drive a F1 car fast and be competitive in a clean and sensible way ?
Answer: about the same ammount that are also fast and sensible in a F3 or
F2 car...
It is ridiculous to say that a GPL F1 car requires more skill and race
craft than a F3 car or a F2 car.
I am not talking about hot-lapping here, i am talking about racing on-line
and mimicking reality as close as it is possible for us to do so.
F3 racing to me is not about how fast i can turn a lap in, or trying to get
my name up in lights on some irrelevant hotlap board, or bragging in VROC
chat at how my times are so much quicker than Joe Citizen's etc,  F3 racing
to me is the closest thing that the internet can provide me with at this
stage of net technology and sim technology to be able to get me as close to
the feeling of racing in reality as my computer can deliver, and in F3
racing the outcome relies more on skill and race craft than luck and
connection.....
I am not knocking F1, i am reasonably quick in F1, but for on-line racing
enjoyment and close competitive racing against sensible  human opponents, i
find F3 is light years ahead of F1 and a fair few miles ahead of F2 as
well.

Regarding the comment from Speedy Fast's post:

"I've never played anything but F1.  Why would I want to drive a GPL any
slower than what it was designed for?"

I agree there and if i was driving a F1 car in GPL i would want it to go as
fast as a F1 car in GPL was designed to go , BUT we as F3 enthusiasts are
not driving F1 cars, we are driving a F3 car and while the F3 cars in GPL
were not actually designed to mimic a true to life F3, they are the closest
thing to a F3 car that we have available in the sim world  and the times
that the F3 cars in GPL turn at the different tracks is almost a mirror of
the times a real F3 car of the era was doing at these tracks.

We are all different and we all like different aspects of our class
choices in GPL, but to me the F3 cars are the pinnacle of on-line racing in
GPL, where as to others the F1 or the F2 cars give the same ***
immersion.
I like to race close, and i mean close, where inches seperate us for most
races, all race long  and with the net problems and latency & connection
issues taken into account, not to mention the more predictable nature of a
F3 car when compared to a F1 car,  the F3's are simply unbeatable in  human
to human confrontation over the net with GPL  with present technology
levels..
That is all IMO of course.

Cheers,
Ron Ayton
Australia


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