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RAS F1 Malaysia Report

Stuart Becktel

RAS F1 Malaysia Report

by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:33:30

Not having run in almost a week, and also not having stability control meant
my race didn't go so well. Into turn 11 and 14 I wasn't able to keep near
the pace that I was before with stability enabled.

Got into third on the start, got punted off, then got hit by lag into turn 4
a few laps later and went off...then going into turn 1 I got dive bombed and
was knocked back a place. Then my car just started to act wierd. Spun going
down the front straight (while going straight no less), and then went off a
few more times for no apparent reason. When I went into the pits, F1C
decided to crash, so I was done.

A couple of notes:

Maybe we should re-enable damage? I had a few people crash into me for no
apparent reason. On a more personal note I'd like to have stabilty control
enabled, but I know that'll probably even up the field a bit too much.

On people that are moving over. Don't. I'm not lapping you, you don't need
to stop on the track. Keep your line and maybe let off the throttle a bit. I
had a ferrari (eldred?) go way out of his way to try and get out of my way
and this actually caused more problems then if he had just stayed on line.
You're here to race too, so even if you're slower, you don't need to destroy
your race to make mine slightly easier.

What percentage races are we running? That would help me out a tad on fuel
milage so I'm not constantly asking you guys whats up.

What race are we going to run in two weeks? Also, if/when we decide, could
you post a link to the track so those without it aren't kept out of the
loop.

Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:58:48



>A couple of notes:

>Maybe we should re-enable damage? I had a few people crash into me for no
>apparent reason. On a more personal note I'd like to have stabilty control
>enabled, but I know that'll probably even up the field a bit too much.

Damage enabled would have resulted in maybe 2 cars running at the end.

That was probably a result of screen lag.  I moved over, then my mirror showed
you there, so I moved back, and you were there again.  Sorry.  The reason you
saw cars stopped occasionally was that Larry and I took turns waiting for each
other.  It was usually Larry waiting for me, since I kept f'king up... :-(

40% races, notmal tire/fuel settings.

We're following the normal F1 season, so you already have all the tracks. :-)
Schedule is here:
http://members.tripod.com/pedx1ng/rasf1/schedule.html

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by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:03:17

But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

I guess my thing on damage is that it was obvious to the people who took me
out that they didn't respect where my car was on the track, and didn't care
that in real life they would have been taken out.

And I still think that drivers being lapped should just keep their own line
when going down a straight. I'm happy you were willing to move out of the
way so much, but you don't need to do it.



> >A couple of notes:

> >Maybe we should re-enable damage? I had a few people crash into me for no
> >apparent reason. On a more personal note I'd like to have stabilty
control
> >enabled, but I know that'll probably even up the field a bit too much.

> Damage enabled would have resulted in maybe 2 cars running at the end.

> >On people that are moving over. Don't. I'm not lapping you, you don't
need
> >to stop on the track. Keep your line and maybe let off the throttle a
bit. I
> >had a ferrari (eldred?) go way out of his way to try and get out of my
way
> >and this actually caused more problems then if he had just stayed on
line.
> >You're here to race too, so even if you're slower, you don't need to
destroy
> >your race to make mine slightly easier.

> That was probably a result of screen lag.  I moved over, then my mirror
showed
> you there, so I moved back, and you were there again.  Sorry.  The reason
you
> saw cars stopped occasionally was that Larry and I took turns waiting for
each
> other.  It was usually Larry waiting for me, since I kept f'king up... :-(

> >What percentage races are we running? That would help me out a tad on
fuel
> >milage so I'm not constantly asking you guys whats up.

> 40% races, notmal tire/fuel settings.

> >What race are we going to run in two weeks? Also, if/when we decide,
could
> >you post a link to the track so those without it aren't kept out of the
> >loop.

> We're following the normal F1 season, so you already have all the tracks.
:-)
> Schedule is here:
> http://members.tripod.com/pedx1ng/rasf1/schedule.html

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by Larry Lindstro » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:23:38


> But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

    Go to Bathurst!  My computer doesn't have the horsepower
to run my car alone there but I'd love to see the RASF1
Bathurst tape.

    I haven't seen the tape.  But I find these are serious
racers and I'd tend to blame lag or some technical problem.

    Mine was a strong voice for no damage.  My feeling is
a collision and spin is punishment enough.  But I'll go
with whatever the majority want.

    That's always a tough call for us backmarkers.

                                                    Larry

Ped Xin

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by Ped Xin » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:23:51



It hasn't been made and I don't know that anyone is working on it.  We
need to decide what to run instead.  How about A-1 Ring, since it won't
be on the real F1 calendar this year?

Stuart I have to apologize because I did hit you going into turn 1.  I
thought I got close to you without hitting but then I looked at the
replay and I did just tap you.  It was not intentional or malicious.  You
make it sound like I just rammed you off without a care.  I tapped you
right near the end of my braking zone.  Is that an excuse?  No, and I AM
sorry about it, but it's not like I don't respect the other cars out
there.

For what it's worth, I got tapped out myself in the final turn by Damon a
few laps later, putting me behind you again.

I saw you spin on the front straight and I was wondering what happened
there.  Viewing the replay it looks like you clipped the grass on the
right.  That's probably what caused you to get squirrely and lose the
car.

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by Ped Xin » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:28:54



I could go either way regarding damage.  I agree it might force us all to
be a bit more careful when running in traffic, but Eldred has a strong
point that we would end up with very few cars running at the end, in all
likelihood.  And we need all the cars on the grid we can at this point.  
Also it's an unfortunate fact that lag sometimes causes problems; it
would be a shame for someone to be put out because of it.

Regarding stability control, I'm personally not in favor of allowing it.  
It gives too much of an advantage, so it would force me to enable it to
be competitive, and I don't want to get accustomed to using it as a
crutch.  What do the rest think?

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Stuart Becktel

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by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:22:56




> > But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

> It hasn't been made and I don't know that anyone is working on it.  We
> need to decide what to run instead.  How about A-1 Ring, since it won't
> be on the real F1 calendar this year?

> > I guess my thing on damage is that it was obvious to the people who
> > took me out that they didn't respect where my car was on the track,
> > and didn't care that in real life they would have been taken out.

> Stuart I have to apologize because I did hit you going into turn 1.  I
> thought I got close to you without hitting but then I looked at the
> replay and I did just tap you.  It was not intentional or malicious.  You
> make it sound like I just rammed you off without a care.  I tapped you
> right near the end of my braking zone.  Is that an excuse?  No, and I AM
> sorry about it, but it's not like I don't respect the other cars out
> there.

Thank you for the apology. I am more concerned with what happened going into
turn 1 on the first lap though. The person had no chance of making the
corner and rammed me completely into the sand trap. The situation where you
hit me was you being a bit optimistic, I'm obviously not happy about it, but
it was more of a racing incident then the first time.

My car kept on doing that for some reason, I just don't understand it. It
seems like the TC wasn't kicking in or something because I've never had a
problem like that until today in the online race. I know that I went into
the grass, but I honestly have no clue how I showed up there because I kept
the same throttle and turn out response as before.

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by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:25:29

I guess my thing on damage is that today I wasn't the one getting into an
accident and I had the problems. Those who caused the damage had no ill
effect from that particular incident.

I think we all need to calm down on the start too, two races in a row we've
had cars flying all around on the start. I obviously don't have a tape of
the incident, but I'd like to see what happened to cause it. Maybe it was
someone just lagged at the worst time possible, but from my view I had
someone fly into the back of me. (remove spam.com and replace it with
rochester.rr.com to e-mail me the replay.)


> > But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

>     Go to Bathurst!  My computer doesn't have the horsepower
> to run my car alone there but I'd love to see the RASF1
> Bathurst tape.

> > I guess my thing on damage is that it was obvious to the people who took
me
> > out that they didn't respect where my car was on the track, and didn't
care
> > that in real life they would have been taken out.

>     I haven't seen the tape.  But I find these are serious
> racers and I'd tend to blame lag or some technical problem.

>     Mine was a strong voice for no damage.  My feeling is
> a collision and spin is punishment enough.  But I'll go
> with whatever the majority want.

> > And I still think that drivers being lapped should just keep their own
line
> > when going down a straight. I'm happy you were willing to move out of
the
> > way so much, but you don't need to do it.

>     That's always a tough call for us backmarkers.

>                                                     Larry

Ped Xin

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by Ped Xin » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:46:18



Race replay is up at http://members.tripod.com/pedx1ng/rasf1/

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Ped Xin

RAS F1 Malaysia Report

by Ped Xin » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:48:09

By the way gentlemen, I have put up the race replay at:

http://members.tripod.com/pedx1ng/rasf1/

The file will be up until the next race or so.

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Ped Xin

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by Ped Xin » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:52:18



Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to pass you.  I know it probably looked
to you like I was trying to get under you, but I brake at a slight angle
into that corner up to the apex.  In the end, that doesn't matter because
I still hit you and I can understand your frustration, it happened to me
as well.  Sorry again.

I don't know.  I do find the car handles different at various points in
the race, partly due to fuel load, and partly due to tire temps.  I
noticed a few times that my tires were getting pretty hot so I had to be
careful.

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:14:06



>But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

Is it?  I didn't know that.  I figured the ??? on the website meant an off
week.  Since there *isn't* (to my knowledge) a Bahrain track, I guess we get a
free week.

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by Eldre » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:14:06



>I guess my thing on damage is that today I wasn't the one getting into an
>accident and I had the problems. Those who caused the damage had no ill
>effect from that particular incident.

>I think we all need to calm down on the start too, two races in a row we've
>had cars flying all around on the start. I obviously don't have a tape of
>the incident, but I'd like to see what happened to cause it. Maybe it was
>someone just lagged at the worst time possible, but from my view I had
>someone fly into the back of me. (remove spam.com and replace it with
>rochester.rr.com to e-mail me the replay.)

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by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:49:58

I liked Pen's idea of having a race at Austria. It'll be a month without
racing otherwise and that would be a tad annoying. I think everyone should
be able to have fun at A-1 anyways (my roommate used to call it the short
bus track of F1 since its so basically easy.)



> >But next week the race is at Bahrain, don't have that.

> Is it?  I didn't know that.  I figured the ??? on the website meant an off
> week.  Since there *isn't* (to my knowledge) a Bahrain track, I guess we
get a
> free week.

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by Haqsa » Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:26:27

Agreed!  Being unpredictable is more of a problem than being in somebody's
way.  If the passer is so much faster than the passee then he really ought
to have the skill to figure out how to get around.  Moving off line is just
asking for an accident.



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