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Too many GPL-Servers

Markus Stiepe

Too many GPL-Servers

by Markus Stiepe » Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Hi all!
Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever u
want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand, whatever it
does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no "Boss" is
present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't know a
solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to go
next.
No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
Cya all (and more!) on track!
Markus
John Simmo

Too many GPL-Servers

by John Simmo » Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:00:00


says...

The only real solution is to run in a league that has its own dedicated
server where all of the league members can meet to run practice races.  
There's simply no viable method anyone could come up with to organize a
bunch of independant drivers.

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Michael Barlo

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by Michael Barlo » Mon, 23 Aug 1999 04:00:00

        I've been in many "F3" clean starts.  I would also assume the F2's and
F1's.  But only in League races.  


> Err... care to host some occasional private races? I haven't been in an
> incident-free start since the end of the IGPS season, and I miss it
> terribly. VROC is more dangerous than driving to work.

> PT

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Robert Grave

Too many GPL-Servers

by Robert Grave » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I agree with you on the 1/20, 1/20, 2/20, 1/20 situation.  Too many of them.

Solution, join a league.


Liutger Franze

Too many GPL-Servers

by Liutger Franze » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I disagree ... as soon as you join the server with a mate and maybe a
3rd person (so that it is 4/20), a running for the server starts!
another point is that GPL is much more global: you would not join a
quake-server located in australia from europe, won't you? but with GPL
lots of people do just that! for example: lots people from USA and
australia join our GGPLC-server, which is located in germany. but you
will only find a few of them around 9pm CET, when it is early afternoon
in the USA or late at night in australia ;-)

Lio

Joel Willstei

Too many GPL-Servers

by Joel Willstei » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

+AD4-Hi all+ACE-
+AD4-Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
+AD4-On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever u
+AD4-want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand, whatever it
+AD4-does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no +ACI-Boss+ACI- is
+AD4-present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
+AD4-1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't know a
+AD4-solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to go
+AD4-next.
+AD4-No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
+AD4-they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
+AD4-Cya all (and more+ACE-) on track+ACE-
+AD4-Markus

     I've made the same post on Alisons gpl and vroc lists. I can't see what
purpose it servers to have 12 or more races listed,with no one in them.  I
personally thought that it was better when you had a lot less races to
choose from,but mostly full fields when you got into a race.

Joel Willstein

Aubre

Too many GPL-Servers

by Aubre » Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Hi Maaki,

I don't think it's too many servers that is the problem.  I think the real
problem is that VROC has a reputation as a place where the drivers crash too
much.  It's sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy because this bad reputation
keeps away the drivers who are considerate and are looking for some clean
driving.  I think the real answer to the problem is for the good drivers to
get out there and race more often.  You can't get rid of the rude drivers,
but at least you can dilute their numbers!

Also, remember that any non-dedicated server has to have at least one driver
on it, so look for the ones without the 'D' flag in Spyboy.

I managed to get a couple good races in tonight, but I'm sorry to say I
haven't seen any IGPS-style clean starts.  I miss them.  *SNIFF*

    -A


>Hi all!
>Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
>On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever u
>want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand, whatever it
>does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no "Boss" is
>present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
>1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't know a
>solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to go
>next.
>No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
>they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
>Cya all (and more!) on track!
>Markus

J

Too many GPL-Servers

by J » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

But they doesn't hurt. OK, it's a little annoying, but BTN

Jens

On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:09:49 -0400, "Robert Gravel"


>I agree with you on the 1/20, 1/20, 2/20, 1/20 situation.  Too many of them.

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Neil Rain

Too many GPL-Servers

by Neil Rain » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00



> +AD4-Hi all+ACE-
> +AD4-Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
> +AD4-On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever u
> +AD4-want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand, whatever it
> +AD4-does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no +ACI-Boss+ACI- is
> +AD4-present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
> +AD4-1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't know a
> +AD4-solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to go
> +AD4-next.
> +AD4-No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
> +AD4-they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
> +AD4-Cya all (and more+ACE-) on track+ACE-
> +AD4-Markus

>      I've made the same post on Alisons gpl and vroc lists. I can't see what
> purpose it servers to have 12 or more races listed,with no one in them.  I
> personally thought that it was better when you had a lot less races to
> choose from,but mostly full fields when you got into a race.

Surely this is just a problem of ettiquette - often there are quite a
lot of people in the paddock, all waiting to see which race everyone
else will join.

I've often found myself typing a message like "So where do you guys want
to race then?" but no-one answers - the only people chatting seem not to
be interested in racing.

As soon as someone joins a race they all pile in there.

Maybe we just need to talk to each other more?

Remco Moe

Too many GPL-Servers

by Remco Moe » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00


>     I've made the same post on Alisons gpl and vroc lists. I can't see what
>purpose it servers to have 12 or more races listed,with no one in them.  I
>personally thought that it was better when you had a lot less races to
>choose from,but mostly full fields when you got into a race.

Hmmmm. I disagree. The VROC crew and the hosts have done their job.
It is now up to the drivers to join the races. Don't expect that
things happen by themself. Work on it! Gather your friends, and flood
the servers. Advertise. Make people join the races.

Remco

Mark Seer

Too many GPL-Servers

by Mark Seer » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

The other solution to this is for everyone to stop talking in here and go
racing <G>

Mark

> But they doesn't hurt. OK, it's a little annoying, but BTN

> Jens

> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:09:49 -0400, "Robert Gravel"

> >I agree with you on the 1/20, 1/20, 2/20, 1/20 situation.  Too many of
them.

> <snip>
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Neil Rain

Too many GPL-Servers

by Neil Rain » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00


> The other solution to this is for everyone to stop talking in here and go
> racing <G>

Not sure I could smuggle my TSW into work without anyone noticing!

Not to mention the Aura Interactor ... I suppose I could use it to
surprise visitors, a bit like a whoopie cushion!  ;-)

Liutger Franze

Too many GPL-Servers

by Liutger Franze » Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:00:00

whatever you call a 'full field' however ... most of the pre-1.1-races
were modem- or ISDN-hosted and so the full field was only 5 or 6
drivers. the effect nowadays is that once there is a server just hosting
the right track, everyone is there and voila! full field, i.e. 20 cars
...

Lio

Eldre

Too many GPL-Servers

by Eldre » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00



>I agree with you on the 1/20, 1/20, 2/20, 1/20 situation.  Too many of them.

>Solution, join a league.



>> Hi all!
>> Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
>> On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever u
>> want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand, whatever
>it
>> does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no "Boss" is
>> present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
>> 1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't know
>a
>> solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to go
>> next.
>> No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
>> they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
>> Cya all (and more!) on track!
>> Markus

It's strange - I (and I'm sure OTHER hosts)  thought we were doing a GOOD thing
by hosting on high-speed connections.  I guess not.  Maybe I'll shut all mine
down...

Eldred

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Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea...
remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

David Er

Too many GPL-Servers

by David Er » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

You ARE doing a good thing and I ,for  one, THANK YOU. The problem is
certainly not with those who put their time and effort into freely providing
a place for the rest of us to race. It probably has far more to do with the
tendency of people to travel in a pack and the inherent difficulties of
finding a fun( read competative) race in a VROC type of environment given
the range of skillls that folks have. Too bad GPL doesn't feature Grand Prix
bracket racing :) :)

David Erb  (who is of the slow but steady school of racing--- a turtle in
racing stripes)


> It's strange - I (and I'm sure OTHER hosts)  thought we were doing a GOOD
thing
> by hosting on high-speed connections.  I guess not.  Maybe I'll shut all
mine
> down...

> Eldred

> __

> Put your message in a modem, and throw it in the ***-sea...
> remove SPAM-OFF to reply.


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