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by **Joel Willstei** » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

>says...
>>Since we got GPL 1.1, we got too many dedicated servers IMHO. On
>>the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online
>>whenever you want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a
>>guiding hand, whatever it does. This is not given when you join
>>a dedicated server as no "Boss" is present to lead the event.
>>But what disturbs me most is: 1/20... 1/20... 1/20... 2/20...
>>1/20... and so on. I really don't know a solution besides maybe
>>people must make appointments in GSB about where to go next.
>>No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well
>>meant and they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.

>The only real solution is to run in a league that has its own dedicated
>server where all of the league members can meet to run practice races.
>There's simply no viable method anyone could come up with to organize a
>bunch of independant drivers.

I've made similar posts at the VROC & GPL lists. It amazed me how
others literally jumped down my throat for suggesting that there is
something wrong with having all those remote server races with no one in
them. Their point was that they could literally join any race at any track
in a multitude of classes and race. My reply was and still is,that isn't
racing.

When I race online,I want to race against a large field of human
drivers. There is no fun in running against 2 or 3 drivers. Spa with a
small field. It's like running hot laps,and that I do off line.

We've gone from one extreme to the other. And neither one is great. But
if I had to choose,I would take the old way,no remote servers. At least you
had full fields,even if you had to wait to find a race with an opening. And
you were a lot less likely to disconnect if you were running mid
pack,knowing that another race wasn't just around the corner.

Joel Willstein

by **Richard G Cleg** » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

: I've made similar posts at the VROC & GPL lists. It amazed me how
: others literally jumped down my throat for suggesting that there is
: something wrong with having all those remote server races with no one in
: them. Their point was that they could literally join any race at any track
: in a multitude of classes and race. My reply was and still is,that isn't
: racing.

Except it isn't true. I've found that unless you know all the tracks
in all classes you're going to wait a while to find something you can
race even with the current system.

: When I race online,I want to race against a large field of human
: drivers. There is no fun in running against 2 or 3 drivers. Spa with a
: small field. It's like running hot laps,and that I do off line.

Then why not wait for a race with a larger entry? There's usually
one or two a night with at or near full field in my experience.

: We've gone from one extreme to the other. And neither one is great. But
: if I had to choose,I would take the old way,no remote servers. At least you
: had full fields,even if you had to wait to find a race with an opening.

Why is waiting to find a race with an opening better than waiting to
find a race with a full field and, in between times, having the option
of smaller races?

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Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.

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by **geps** » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

nooooooo!!!! don't do that. please don't shut down any GPL server! here in
Italy is the only resource we have to play GPL on-line!!!

geps.

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by **John Simmo** » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Another major problem (and for the life of me I can't figure out why this
is so) is that people don't want to race Pro or Long races. many folks
won't even run in Intermediate races.

Then there's the bunch that think F2 or F3 is more fun than F1.

Like I said before, the only viable solution ids to run in a league that
has organized closed practices every day at a pre-set time. We did it in
IGPS, and it worked out rather well. Three days a week was open
practice, and two days was for closed league practice.

1) Learn how to drive at tracks other than Monza or Spa, or Watkins Glen.

2) Cowboy up and start drivin' in Long F1 races.

3) You're not going to win every race you drive in.

4) You're not even going to finish well in some of the races you drive
in.

It's time for everyone to lay their***s on the table to see who really
measures up.

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by **Coote** » Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> >I agree with you on the 1/20, 1/20, 2/20, 1/20 situation. Too many of
them.

> >Solution, join a league.

> >> Hi all!
> >> Since we got GPL1.1....we got too many dedicated servers IMHO.
> >> On the one hand, it's a great thing to be able to race online whenever
u
> >> want, on the other hand, the human beeing needs a guiding hand,
whatever
> >it
> >> does. This is not given when you join a dedicated server as no "Boss"
is
> >> present to lead the event. But what disturbs me most is: 1/20.....
> >> 1/20......1/20.....2/20......1/20...and so on.........I really don't
know
> >a
> >> solution besides maybe ppl must make appointments in GSB about where to
go
> >> next.
> >> No offense to the guys running these servers, it's all well meant and
> >> they're doing a great job, but I hope I made my point.
> >> Cya all (and more!) on track!
> >> Markus

> It's strange - I (and I'm sure OTHER hosts) thought we were doing a GOOD
thing
> by hosting on high-speed connections. I guess not. Maybe I'll shut all
mine
> down...

> Eldred

PLEASE DON'T!!
Coot

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by **Doug Schneide** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

I would gladly race Pro races, but given the varying quality of connection
it's quite possible to get whacked on the first lap with no one doing
anything wrong or impolite. Then you're screwed for the rest of the race.
At least with intermediate, after the carnage at the first turn you can
shift-R and pick up the pieces. Long races are also fine with me, but
they're not going to be everyone's cup of tea. Some nights I just can't keep
the required level of concentration that long, I'm just looking for a quick
fix.

I agree with you totally on pre-arranged races at pre-set times. That really
is the only way things will work optimally. JMHO.

Zog

> Another major problem (and for the life of me I can't figure out why this
> is so) is that people don't want to race Pro or Long races. many folks
> won't even run in Intermediate races.

> Then there's the bunch that think F2 or F3 is more fun than F1.

> Like I said before, the only viable solution ids to run in a league that
> has organized closed practices every day at a pre-set time. We did it in
> IGPS, and it worked out rather well. Three days a week was open
> practice, and two days was for closed league practice.

> 1) Learn how to drive at tracks other than Monza or Spa, or Watkins Glen.

> 2) Cowboy up and start drivin' in Long F1 races.

> 3) You're not going to win every race you drive in.

> 4) You're not even going to finish well in some of the races you drive
> in.

> It's time for everyone to lay their***s on the table to see who really
> measures up.

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> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
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by **Eldre** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Ok, guys (and gals) - let's hear it. You want GP races? I can set one of my
servers to run ONLY those. You DON'T want GP? What's your choice, I'm
flexible.

Eldred

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

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Well...ok, I guess. I'll let them run for NOW. But, 2 or 3 people DOESN'T
really sound like much fun. Not unless the drivers are closely matched...

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by **Richard G Cleg** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

:>nooooooo!!!! don't do that. please don't shut down any GPL server! here in
:>Italy is the only resource we have to play GPL on-line!!!
:>
:>geps.

: Well...ok, I guess. I'll let them run for NOW. But, 2 or 3 people DOESN'T
: really sound like much fun. Not unless the drivers are closely matched...

Well I'd add my plea of "please don't" - it's hard enough to find
somewhere to race from the UK. I've found that if I join a server which
is showing 1/20 and has 5-10 minutes of practice left then there'll
usually be 5-6 people in the race. There's not actually _that_ many
GPL servers consistently running races for GP cars.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

What's even a BIGGER shame is that people don't read the settings BEFORE they
jump in... Since 1.1 resets after the last person bails, maybe I can setup GP
races. I'll start server #1 this weekend...

Eldred
p.s. maybe I'll set #1 as F1 GP, #2 as F3 GP , and #3 as whatever...

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by **Michael Barlo** » Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> > I setup F3 GP's almost every weekend. It's a shame that more then half
> >those drivers leave when they find out it's a GP length. Out of those
> >that do stay, only finish 1/4 race length.

> > I'd say "go for it". Set up the GP length races since you have more
> >then one server. Odds are it will be empty after a couple laps, but
> >then again, you never know.

> > try it for a week or so and see what happens.

> >Mike

> >PS; Make it F3 GP's ;-)

> What's even a BIGGER shame is that people don't read the settings BEFORE they
> jump in... Since 1.1 resets after the last person bails, maybe I can setup GP
> races. I'll start server #1 this weekend...

> Eldred
> p.s. maybe I'll set #1 as F1 GP, #2 as F3 GP , and #3 as whatever...

There are at least three F2 leagues starting soon, so, # could be F2.

Mike

by J » Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Is this a poll? ;-)

Jens

BTW
My vote: wanna have GP

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by J » Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:00:00

Eldred, you're doing a good thing. Thanks for that.

Jens

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:00:00

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No.<g>

But, server #1 is now running GP races - but you probably KNEW that by now...

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by **Joel Willstei** » Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:00:00

> Except it isn't true. I've found that unless you know all the tracks
>in all classes you're going to wait a while to find something you can
>race even with the current system.

The fact that one doesn't know all the tracks for all the classes
doesn't apply to my post. lets just say I was refering to F1. There are
enough empty remote server races available all the time so that if you can
race at Monza,Spa,or the Ring,you're set

Unfortunately,this isn't the case. Passworded races have the most
number of drivers per race. Then if Alison hosts,everyone jumps in like it's
something special.

Because smaller field races are boring. I've run races at Monza,Watkins
Glen,Zandvoort,& Rouen the last few nights with fields less than 6 cars,and
after the 1st lap or two,you almost never see anyone. Some disconnect for
one reason or another,then if you are either better or worse than the
remaining cars,it's hot lap time. This isn't what online racing is all
about. I rather wait for a full field.

My latest tactic is to join what race I'm interested in,then if the
field doesn't fill out by the time practice is over,I say bid farewell to
the others,and head back to the chat room.

Joel

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