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by **Brian Shor** » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00

> However, this version isn't the final. Maybe close, but definitly not the
> version I'll be buying in the store shorty (I hope!). I did notice a few cars
> "spinning" in the air after an accident more than a few times (The damn things
> where just*** in the air spinning, very odd to see when your trying to
> concentrate on the Curve Grande :) Also the engines didn't seem to smoke or
> catch fire. I crashed really hard many times, and unlike the demo, i've yet to
> see a car catch fire. All, in all, this isn't the final version, so i'll bet
> this is fixed.

Maybe you had damage off... hmmm...

by **Mass** » Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Today I saw a german videofilm with over 100 crashes from the Ring, made by
a amateur-filmer in the 70s. He had been filming tha same sharp left bend
every saturday in almost 10 year. On sundays the public could probably try
the track themself, because every car I saw was a standard car! (No
racecars!)

That bend was as you described, a 1st gear corner on a small crest and
probalbly blind to. Most of the drivers came to fast and flipped over in
the sandtrap, or spun on the road. So I understand you, when you say that
the track can be tricky. On the worst sunday, there was five crashed cars
left at the corner when the track closed!

Many of the "racedrivers" seemed to be tourists. How I know that? Well,
there was bags, jackets, beercans and a lot of other stuff flying out of
the windows when the cars rolled. And often there where three passengers in
the car too! And without seatbelts......(The 70s you remember.)

It was rather funny to see what kind of cars they where driving: Volkswagen
(Beetle), Renault Gordini, BMC Cooper, Opel Kadett Rally, Porche 911 and
914, Mercedes Benz, Hillman Imperial (I think), Ford Capri and a lot of
other cars I dont remember right now.

/ Masse

PS. No one was seriously hurt and excuse my english.

by **SNAF** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

It is more than likely the corner that you are talking about is called
Adenauer Forst, which is approached from Fuchsrohre very quickly. The reason
everyone was crashing was/is because the instinctive line for the 'chicane'
tightens so much more than expected. I should know... I had to jump the
kerbing when I went round the Nordschleife a bit too enthusiastically for
the first time in my stock Toyota Starlet a couple of months ago!! <g>

I can't wait for GPL to re-live a lap of the ring. Even in a crappy 1.2
Starlet, 50hp and with 3 people in the car, the track is faster, steeper,
tighter and more insane than you can possibly imagine. The fact that people
have raced F1 cars there just blows my mind! The track is quite simply
awe-inspiring, and I drove around the newer circuit that they flattened out
a bit in 1972 to remove a lot of the jumps!

And I'm still waiting for Alison's report of the Papyrus Cup Race at the
'ring..... :)

Pete Tabram

>Today I saw a german videofilm with over 100 crashes from the Ring, made by
>a amateur-filmer in the 70s. He had been filming tha same sharp left bend
>every saturday in almost 10 year. On sundays the public could probably try
>the track themself, because every car I saw was a standard car! (No
>racecars!)

>That bend was as you described, a 1st gear corner on a small crest and
>probalbly blind to. Most of the drivers came to fast and flipped over in
>the sandtrap, or spun on the road. So I understand you, when you say that
>the track can be tricky. On the worst sunday, there was five crashed cars
>left at the corner when the track closed!

>Many of the "racedrivers" seemed to be tourists. How I know that? Well,
>there was bags, jackets, beercans and a lot of other stuff flying out of
>the windows when the cars rolled. And often there where three passengers in
>the car too! And without seatbelts......(The 70s you remember.)

>It was rather funny to see what kind of cars they where driving: Volkswagen
>(Beetle), Renault Gordini, BMC Cooper, Opel Kadett Rally, Porche 911 and
>914, Mercedes Benz, Hillman Imperial (I think), Ford Capri and a lot of
>other cars I dont remember right now.

>/ Masse

>PS. No one was seriously hurt and excuse my english.

by **Mass** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Yes, the corner is called Adenauer Forst. I just didnt remember the
spelling of it....

/Masse

by **John Walla** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

On 9 Sep 98 22:58:20 GMT, "Masse"

>Today I saw a german videofilm with over 100 crashes from the Ring, made by
>a amateur-filmer in the 70s. He had been filming tha same sharp left bend
>every saturday in almost 10 year. On sundays the public could probably try
>the track themself, because every car I saw was a standard car! (No
>racecars!)

You can still do that today. It costs around DM15 (AFAI remember) to
lap the Ring, and it takes about a quarter of an hour for a
non-expert. It's also ***y scary because you get a lot of people in
Porsches etc which have been many times, and even more complete
nutters on motorbikes - both of these come up behind you REAL fast and
muscle their way past. That means you have to spend a heck of a lot of
time watching your mirrors when really the road ahead takes up 100% of
your time.

I never drove myself, not being insured for any cars there, but I was
driven round and it as an amazing experience, and one which I'd
recommend to anyone visiting the area. You can do the same at both
Hockenheim and Spa (both of which I tried), and probably other
circuits around Europe also.

Cheers!
John

by **Marc J. Nelso** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

I'd like to order 1-Spa, with a bit o' Hockenheim on the side to go,
please! =)

Marc

> You can do the same at both
> Hockenheim and Spa (both of which I tried)

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

> You can still do that today. It costs around DM15 (AFAI remember) to
> lap the Ring, and it takes about a quarter of an hour for a
> non-expert. It's also ***y scary because you get a lot of people in
> Porsches etc which have been many times, and even more complete
> nutters on motorbikes - both of these come up behind you REAL fast and
> muscle their way past. That means you have to spend a heck of a lot of
> time watching your mirrors when really the road ahead takes up 100% of
> your time.

> I never drove myself, not being insured for any cars there, but I was
> driven round and it as an amazing experience, and one which I'd
> recommend to anyone visiting the area. You can do the same at both
> Hockenheim and Spa (both of which I tried), and probably other
> circuits around Europe also.

Spa sounds fun, Hockenheim in a roadcar doesn`t, unless it`s a _really_
fast one

Have you tried the "Renn-Taxi" John ?

A couple of years back _I_ did, I`m still smiling

Being driven around the track in a BMW M5 (mostly stock, I belive) with
a driver that _knows_ the circuit, boy was that something, I mean those
guys on something-RRR superbikes couldn`t get out of the way quick
enough when we appeared in their mirrors, man I wish I had a Video
Camera back then, it cost about 75 DM for the 3 of us, some of the best
money I`ve spent :-), highly recommended for anyone who get`s a chance
to visit this track

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
UncleGoy on TEN

by **doktor** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

AFAIK, you CAN NOT drive the entire Spa track..
Part of it is public roads, and part of it is track-only. I know for a fact
that the main road carries you from La-Source, through Eau-Rouge.. but I
believe it swings off at La Combe. I may be wrong about this.. it was
probably 12 or 13 years ago when I was there. I know the section before La
Source has to be public road because there were a couple of houses along
it..

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by **SNAF** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

It cost me DM23 this July per lap. Should have cost DM18, but our german was
so bad we got a motorcycle ticket by accident!

Ring taxi would have been too scary, if my 1st lap round the ring was
anything to go by... passenger in your own car, sitting in the back watching
both the track ahead, and the motorcycles and Porsches coming up behind,
while a nutter of a mate trys to do a 6min lap in a Starlet... (13min in the
end!)

Pete Tabram

>On 9 Sep 98 22:58:20 GMT, "Masse"

>>Today I saw a german videofilm with over 100 crashes from the Ring, made
by
>>a amateur-filmer in the 70s. He had been filming tha same sharp left bend
>>every saturday in almost 10 year. On sundays the public could probably try
>>the track themself, because every car I saw was a standard car! (No
>>racecars!)

>You can still do that today. It costs around DM15 (AFAI remember) to
>lap the Ring, and it takes about a quarter of an hour for a
>non-expert. It's also ***y scary because you get a lot of people in
>Porsches etc which have been many times, and even more complete
>nutters on motorbikes - both of these come up behind you REAL fast and
>muscle their way past. That means you have to spend a heck of a lot of
>time watching your mirrors when really the road ahead takes up 100% of
>your time.

>I never drove myself, not being insured for any cars there, but I was
>driven round and it as an amazing experience, and one which I'd
>recommend to anyone visiting the area. You can do the same at both
>Hockenheim and Spa (both of which I tried), and probably other
>circuits around Europe also.

>Cheers!
>John

by **John Walla** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Yes, you CAN. (So there) :-)

A lot of Spa is public roads, but they close the circuit for some race
weekends and it is closed off for ONE weekend per year to allow anyone
to drive the circuit. You get everything from minis to Jags blasting
round and it's great fun!

Cheers!
John

by **ymenar** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

John Wallace wrote

Hmm Spa, how interesting it would be....

There is a trick at Montreal to sneak up into the Montreal Formula 1
track...

Let me say that racing there in a Volvo 850 T at the small hours of the
night is just incredible. You have around 80% of the track to race since the
last part is the entrance to the *** (but still there is a possible "loop
track" and the 20% is just the boring hairpin at the east of the track.

There is also a way to sneak up at Mt-Tremblant raceway (old F1 track,
incredible but too dangerous for F1) at night, on a little dirt road heh.

Oh, and you just can't imagine the numbers of spins I did there when racing
in a track covered by snow ;)

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by **doktor** » Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Cool.. sounds like a fun day..

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>A lot of Spa is public roads, but they close the circuit for some race
>weekends and it is closed off for ONE weekend per year to allow anyone
>to drive the circuit. You get everything from minis to Jags blasting
>round and it's great fun!

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Down here, the Mount Panorama circuit at Bathurst (site of the 1000 km
race each year) is also public road.
However, there is no charge to drive around it.

> I'd like to order 1-Spa, with a bit o' Hockenheim on the side to go,
> please! =)

> Marc

> > You can do the same at both
> > Hockenheim and Spa (both of which I tried)

> --
> Marc J. Nelson
> The Sim Project - http://www.simproject.com

> * No animals were harmed in the making of this e-mail *

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by **Robin Lor** » Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Yes pete, I seem to recall nearly doing the same the lap before when i was
driving your car, I did warn you to slow down...:o)
Robin.

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