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by **Incubu** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:54:08

I just saw a news story about the race. In it, they were saying that there
is this device called H.A.N.S.

It stands for "Head And Neck Support".

It's a device that the drivers wear around their shoulders, kind of like a
"U" shape device, which has an attachment at the back, for a short strap
that goes directly to the back of the helmet.

The way it works is that, it prevents the head from moving too far forward
in a front-on crash. When such an accident happens, the neck muscles on a
particular driver may be strong, but the problem occurs at the base of the
skull where the breakage actually occurs.

They also said that in Nascar, it's not compulsory, as it is in other auto
sports. Only 4 or 5 drivers are currently using the device. They also said
that the last 7 deaths that have occured, would have been prevented if the
drivers were wearing this device.

According to the story, Dale knew about the device and had seen the videos
of crash tests, but he didn't want to use it.

If you like, you can read more about it here:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Andrew** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:37:56

This has only been mentioned, what, a couple of thousand times in RAS?
Freedom of choice and acceptance of responsiblity. He knew the risks and
made his choice. He's dead, let's move on.

by **Alan Orto** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:27:41

> This has only been mentioned, what, a couple of thousand times in RAS?
> Freedom of choice and acceptance of responsiblity. He knew the risks and
> made his choice. He's dead, let's move on.

Unfortunately, it was his decision. But athlete's such as racers are
stubborn and don't know what is for their own good or even the average
person for that matter doesn't know what is for their own good.

This is the reason why helmets are mandated in racing and there was a
law made for seat belts and motorcycle helmets. If they didn't then
people wouldn't use them. NASCAR needs to make them mandatory if they
are proven to help, which they are.

Did I want to wear a neck protector in hockey? No! It was uncomfortable
and made you sweat even more and at first it felt like you were being
choked. You felt like it was holding you back and wrecking your
concentration. I swore when they made it mandatory but I didn't have
much of a choice. I got used to it rather quick and later on if I didn't
have it on I felt ***. It saved my life a couple times so I'm really
happy they mandated or I wouldn't of worn one even if it was for my own
good.
After watching Clint Malarchuck in Buffalo nearly bleed to death on the
ice when he got his throat slit open by a skate blade I'm glad I was
wearing one.
Clint was wearing one when he came back and I bet he wish the NHL
mandated it as well so he didn't have to go through the trauma.

This is exactly the same as the HANS device. People are just afraid of
new things and change. Dale made his own decision, lets hope others
learn from it.

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by **Todd Sorense** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:39:48

Yep. We all make bad choices.

> This has only been mentioned, what, a couple of thousand times in RAS?
> Freedom of choice and acceptance of responsiblity. He knew the risks and
> made his choice. He's dead, let's move on.

> > I just saw a news story about the race. In it, they were saying that
there
> > is this device called H.A.N.S.

> > It stands for "Head And Neck Support".

> > It's a device that the drivers wear around their shoulders, kind of like
a
> > "U" shape device, which has an attachment at the back, for a short strap
> > that goes directly to the back of the helmet.

> > The way it works is that, it prevents the head from moving too far
forward
> > in a front-on crash. When such an accident happens, the neck muscles on
a
> > particular driver may be strong, but the problem occurs at the base of
the
> > skull where the breakage actually occurs.

> > They also said that in Nascar, it's not compulsory, as it is in other
auto
> > sports. Only 4 or 5 drivers are currently using the device. They also
said
> > that the last 7 deaths that have occured, would have been prevented if
the
> > drivers were wearing this device.

> > According to the story, Dale knew about the device and had seen the
videos
> > of crash tests, but he didn't want to use it.

> > If you like, you can read more about it here:

> > http://www.racingone.com/article.asp?artnum=4996

by **Morgan V. Woote** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:53:07

You're new to racing apparently. Everyone is familiar with the HANS Device.
NASCAR doesn't mandate it, but it probably should. Dale was very old-school and
refused to use much of the modern safety equipment many other drivers use. He
died because of it. And no, his life would not have been saved just because of a
HANS system. Ridiculous! :(

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by **Simon Brow** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:12:04

Any other safety devices you would like to see become optional?

by **Alan Orto** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:36:48

Right we are trying to find out in the NASCAR rule book, which NASCAR
won't make public and only a selected few have seen it, but we think
Helmets and Firesuits are optional in NASCAR WC, believe it or not.

> Any other safety devices you would like to see become optional?

> > This has only been mentioned, what, a couple of thousand times in RAS?
> > Freedom of choice and acceptance of responsiblity. He knew the risks and
> > made his choice. He's dead, let's move on.

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by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:50:30

Unbelievable.

David G Fisher

> Right we are trying to find out in the NASCAR rule book, which NASCAR
> won't make public and only a selected few have seen it, but we think
> Helmets and Firesuits are optional in NASCAR WC, believe it or not.

> > Any other safety devices you would like to see become optional?

> > > This has only been mentioned, what, a couple of thousand times in RAS?
> > > Freedom of choice and acceptance of responsiblity. He knew the risks
and
> > > made his choice. He's dead, let's move on.

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by **daxe** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:30:08

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:53:07 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten"

> Dale was very old-school and
>refused to use much of the modern safety equipment many other drivers use. He
>died because of it.

Which modern safety equipment would have saved his life?

~daxe

by **Kevin Gavit** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:28:27

Stan Fox was in a coma for months after his Indy 500 crash. There wasn't so
much as a scuff mark on his helmet.

How can this happen? Because if the impact generates enough g loading the
brain is damaged by the simple act of impacting on the inside of the skull.
The H.A.N.S. device actually INCREASES the chance of this happening. Every
safty device is an engineering trade off. Belts actually crush the chest
cavity if the impact is hard enough. It's a matter of playing the odds, NOT
total protection.

There is, very simply, * no safty device in the world* that protects a
driver once the g forces exceed a certain amount.

KFG

by **Alan Conceic** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:32:15

I believe DW mentioned that firesuits became mandatory while speaking in a
recent interview. It was on a special about the WC that aired on Fox Sports Net
this weekend.

-And David, try to at least WAIT for proof before you place guilt....Napoleonic
Law doesn't apply in our nation-
Alan

Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.

by **Dog-Le** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:40:17

It has been said time and time again, a HANS device would not have saved
him. The Dr's said so, and the Autopsy Report makes it pretty clear...

It was bad luck, nothing more, nothing less...

-Larry

> You're new to racing apparently. Everyone is familiar with the HANS
Device.
> NASCAR doesn't mandate it, but it probably should. Dale was very
old-school and
> refused to use much of the modern safety equipment many other drivers use.
He
> died because of it. And no, his life would not have been saved just
because of a
> HANS system. Ridiculous! :(

> --
> -------------------------------------
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> GPLRank: +10.02
> http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/
> -------------------------------------

> > I just saw a news story about the race. In it, they were saying that
there
> > is this device called H.A.N.S.

> > It stands for "Head And Neck Support".

> > It's a device that the drivers wear around their shoulders, kind of like
a
> > "U" shape device, which has an attachment at the back, for a short strap
> > that goes directly to the back of the helmet.

> > The way it works is that, it prevents the head from moving too far
forward
> > in a front-on crash. When such an accident happens, the neck muscles on
a
> > particular driver may be strong, but the problem occurs at the base of
the
> > skull where the breakage actually occurs.

> > They also said that in Nascar, it's not compulsory, as it is in other
auto
> > sports. Only 4 or 5 drivers are currently using the device. They also
said
> > that the last 7 deaths that have occured, would have been prevented if
the
> > drivers were wearing this device.

> > According to the story, Dale knew about the device and had seen the
videos
> > of crash tests, but he didn't want to use it.

> > If you like, you can read more about it here:

> > http://www.racingone.com/article.asp?artnum=4996

by **Dog-Le** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:38:42

The vast majority of Nascar Drivers do NOT use HANS.

I think you can count the number of drivers that do on one hand...

-Larry

by **Alan Orto** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:01:26

> >Right we are trying to find out in the NASCAR rule book, which NASCAR
> >won't make public and only a selected few have seen it, but we think
> >Helmets and Firesuits are optional in NASCAR WC, believe it or not.

> I believe DW mentioned that firesuits became mandatory while speaking in a
> recent interview. It was on a special about the WC that aired on Fox Sports Net
> this weekend.

> -And David, try to at least WAIT for proof before you place guilt....Napoleonic
> Law doesn't apply in our nation-
> Alan

> Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
> "The Last American Hero"
> R.I.P.

You could be right, it is hard to believe they wouldn't make such a
thing mandatory. Still trying to find out for sure but it is pretty much
futile to find the truth.

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by **Uncle Feste** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:29:13

> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:53:07 GMT, "Morgan V. Wooten"

> > Dale was very old-school and
> >refused to use much of the modern safety equipment many other drivers use. He
> >died because of it.

> Which modern safety equipment would have saved his life?

None.

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Restrictor plate racing killed Dale Earnhardt.

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