rec.autos.simulators

> Steward's right. In the past 10 years a lot of fuss has been made over
> things which had been considered perfectly normal during the first 40 years
> of F1 history. I'm old enough to remember most of it (sigh) <g>

> > Steward's right. In the past 10 years a lot of fuss has been made over
> > things which had been considered perfectly normal during the first 40
years
> > of F1 history. I'm old enough to remember most of it (sigh) <g>

> Uh huh....:-)

> I can't believe that FIA is even worrying about the Ferrari ***,
> aside from not liking MS himself and not wanting him to win, that bit
> doesn't bother me too much as I know that at some point Williams or
> McLaren will catch up, the thing that bores me stiff is the lack of on
> the track racing for position

> Forget the two red cars up front for a moment, they're doing their job
> better than anyone else and dominates, fair enough, but further down the
> field there's another 20 cars (more or less) divided into groups of cars
> with similar performance....and they're not racing each other for
> position on the track because in F1 that's neigh on impossible,
> "everyone" is just holding their position waiting for the
> pitstops....that's the bit that needs attention, I don't care if the
> fight for position is about 1st/2nd or 7th/8th as long as it's worth
> watching

> I think the desire to level the playing field as much as possible is also a
> major reason why they aren't trying harder to ban driving aids (besides
> their saying it's difficult to police). Driving aids make less good drivers
> faster, thus keeping the field even closer together. Whether that causes
> more battles on the track (because the drivers are closer together) or less
> (because any existing differences are balanced out and hence no passing is
> possible) is another matter.

> But I remember cars and/or drivers being just as *** as Ferrari was
> this year, not only in F1 but elsewhere, and it's always been considered as
> being perfectly normal. Which is also true for team orders, equally
> difficult to police but got prohibited anyway (IMO just a show for us, the
> audience, as it'll simply happen in a more subtle way now) - but team orders
> have always been part of the game, and I don't remember any fuss being made
> over it back then :-)

>>I think the desire to level the playing field as much as possible is also a
>>major reason why they aren't trying harder to ban driving aids (besides
>>their saying it's difficult to police). Driving aids make less good drivers
>>faster, thus keeping the field even closer together. Whether that causes
>>more battles on the track (because the drivers are closer together) or less
>>(because any existing differences are balanced out and hence no passing is
>>possible) is another matter.

>>But I remember cars and/or drivers being just as *** as Ferrari was
>>this year, not only in F1 but elsewhere, and it's always been considered as
>>being perfectly normal. Which is also true for team orders, equally
>>difficult to police but got prohibited anyway (IMO just a show for us, the
>>audience, as it'll simply happen in a more subtle way now) - but team orders
>>have always been part of the game, and I don't remember any fuss being made
>>over it back then :-)

> Exactly, and while I do have issues with Tem Orders when used as
> blatantly as Ferrari has this year, I too realise it's neigh on
> impossible to police them....and wasn't that the reason they let the
> driver aids back in, because it was impossible to police
> them.....hellooo ?

> What has made this season increasingly boring is Team Orders, in the
> past, when there was a *** team, the two drivers in the team has
> for the most part been allowed to race each other, at least to a certain
> degree, but this year you knew that unless MS did a very poor qualifying
> (very unlikely) or messed up the start (it happens), he would win, but
> again, how do you police the difference between a Team Order and a
> periodic electronic glitch in RB's car ? :-)

> What worries me the most is the fact that nobody in the FIA/FOCA can see
> that this is ruining the sport as a sport for anyone but the most die
> hard fan, yes I've kept on watching it even though I said I'd stop after
> the Austrian fiasco (Hi David :-) even though I thought that was totally
> uncalled for even for a team that openly uses Team Orders, but there
> comes a point where I will rather spend those couple of hours on a
> Sunday rebuilding my beloved Opel Manta rather than watching the so
> called racing in F1

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

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> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> --Groucho Marx--

> A good example of how do you police team orders came up in the NASCAR
> race this past Sunday too. I know it's not F1 but it seems relevant to
> me. Kurt Busch and teammate Mark Martin who's fighting for the
> championship) were running 1-2. Busch's crew chief radioed him and and
> "reminded" him Martin is fighting for a championship, and had the
> opportunity to pick up the bonus points for most laps led, which could
> go along way towards the title. Busch eased up and let Martin by, even
> though he was never explicity told to do so. He "made the dicision" on
> his own. Whats to stop the same thing from happening in F1?

> Jackie Stewart thinks too much fuss is being made over Ferrari's ***
> of Formula 1.

> > He's a wise man indeed. A couple of months ago I was driving through
> > Scotland on one particularly sunny Sunday afternoon, and who should
> > flash past me on the A72 in his Range Rover? Yep, non other than Jackie
> > Stewart! I remember wondering why isn't he at home watching the GP. The
> > answer is simple; he finds F1 as boring as I do and when out for a nice
> > drive instead.

> Right on, old timer!

> > > He's a wise man indeed. A couple of months ago I was driving through
> > > Scotland on one particularly sunny Sunday afternoon, and who should
> > > flash past me on the A72 in his Range Rover? Yep, non other than
Jackie
> > > Stewart! I remember wondering why isn't he at home watching the GP.
The
> > > answer is simple; he finds F1 as boring as I do and when out for a
nice
> > > drive instead.

> > Right on, old timer!

> I'm 37!

> >I'm 37!

> I'm 25, and I still find 95-02 F1 boring.

> It's kinda sad, take away one broken steering shaft and it would
> possibly still be a good sport.

> Jason