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OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

john

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by john » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:59:57

yeah

but in those days did they APPLY the rules evenly to all teams???
did they bend it for one team and strictly apply it to another ???


> Steward's right. In the past 10 years a lot of fuss has been made over
> things which had been considered perfectly normal during the first 40
years
> of F1 history. I'm old enough to remember most of it (sigh) <g>

> Achim



> > From itv-f1.com

> > Jackie Stewart thinks too much fuss is being made over Ferrari's
***
> > of Formula 1.
> > The three-times world champion believes that the Michael
> Schumacher-Ferrari
> > combination, which won 11 out of 17 grand prix in 2002, has simply done
a
> > better job than the opposition and has reaped the rewards for its
> > excellence. This is way it should be according to the BRDC chairman.

> > In an interview with The Times, Stewart said: "Let's get real. They've
> just
> > won for three years. Before that, they hadn't won for 21 years. This is
> > sport - things don't always go the way you'd like them to. It would be
> nice
> > if a different person won every race; it would be nice if different
> > manufacturers won every year. But sport isn't fair.

> > "The job of sport is not to share the honours out equally. The job of
> sport
> > is to find the strongest, fastest, highest, longest, whatever. In 1971,
I
> > won six out of the first eight races. It was OK then, no one said a word
> > other than to congratulate me. Today, the public, apparently, demands
fair
> > competition and that means everyone coming up to the line together does
> it?
> > And a different driver winning every time?"

> > ----

> > Stewart also had an ominous warning for the rest of the Formula 1 world.
> He
> > expects more of the same from Ferrari and Schumacher next year.

> > "I believe Schumacher is still on the way up," added Stewart. "If he's
got
> > five world titles to his name already, I could see him getting another
> three
> > or four, maybe more. I would not be at all surprised if the nonsense
over
> > the past few months has made him even more determined to stay at the top
> for
> > longer."

> > David G Fisher

Joachim Trens

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 16:38:25

There have always been people who thought their favourite team or driver was
put at a disadvantage by the marshals, while a team or driver they didn't
like had received an unfair advantage.

Usually they were wrong, like nowadays, sometimes they were right, like
nowadays. And in the end, like nowadays, it usually all evened out because
everyone sometimes gained a bit, or lost a bit :-)

Achim


> yeah

> but in those days did they APPLY the rules evenly to all teams???
> did they bend it for one team and strictly apply it to another ???



> > Steward's right. In the past 10 years a lot of fuss has been made over
> > things which had been considered perfectly normal during the first 40
> years
> > of F1 history. I'm old enough to remember most of it (sigh) <g>

> > Achim

David G Fishe

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by David G Fishe » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:35:53


Awwww, that sounds lovely. I can just imagine you and your copy of GPL out
together for a Sunday drive around the British countryside in your Big
Wheel.

Sure it is. Bill Gates is running out of money too.

David G Fisher

Uwe Schuerkam

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Uwe Schuerkam » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:28:11


> From itv-f1.com

> "The job of sport is not to share the honours out equally. The job of sport
> is to find the strongest, fastest, highest, longest, whatever. In 1971, I

longest??? I wonder *what* sport he is referring to here... ;-D

Uwe

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Jason Moy

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by Jason Moy » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 18:54:11

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:04:35 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  Nah, he'd be retired by now anyway.

I meant in terms of the cars using slicks and running on tracks that
weren't designed for go karts.

I still laugh everytime I think about the Eau Rouge chicane they tried
that one year (was it 95?).

Jason

Jason Moy

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Jason Moy » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:06:20

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:35:53 -0500, "David G Fisher"


>> P.S. F1 is starting to disappear up it's own arsehole.

>Sure it is. Bill Gates is running out of money too.

F1 will disappear when the Concorde Agreement ends.  I think most of
the top manufacturers would probably agree with that, as well.

Speaking of F1's popularity, I miss the mid to late 80's when there
half a dozen new F1 games coming out every year and you couldn't walk
into an arcade without finding at least Pole Position II and Final
Lap.  I probably ran more laps at the tracks in Final Lap than I have
in all the ISI games combined, and it had better multiplayer (nothing
like being able to smack someone when they knock you out of the way).

Jason

Dave Wood

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by Dave Wood » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:41:43

Tony Rickard  wrote >
Well said, I used to dream of the red car winning just once, when in reality
I was
watching for that first puff of smoke from the back that meant its laps were
numbered.

Davo

Nic

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Nic » Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:36:23


> Forget the two red cars up front for a moment, they're doing their job
> better than anyone else and dominates, fair enough, but further down the
> field there's another 20 cars (more or less) divided into groups of cars
> with similar performance....and they're not racing each other for
> position on the track because in F1 that's neigh on impossible,
> "everyone" is just holding their position waiting for the
> pitstops....that's the bit that needs attention, I don't care if the
> fight for position is about 1st/2nd or 7th/8th as long as it's worth
> watching

Actually, I subscribed to Sky's F1 Digital interactive broadcasts this
season, and I couldn't wait for race day to come, as I was usually
*** around the 'Track B' and 'In Car' options. How many fantastic
battles I witnessed between the Saubers/Renaults/BARs. I remember
riding with Filipe Massa for most of the Imola race and thoroughly
enjoying watching him and three other cars racing each other, watching
their lines, seeing them get sideways out of Variante Alta, and just
having fun racing. When I saw the ITV highlights, I hear Martin
Brundle saying how boring it all was and how MS should get the 'Driver
Of The Day' naff ITV award for spending the most amount of time on
screen.

I remember watching Villeneuve at Austria, where he overtook 10 cars
during the race - that doesn't include the first lap, or pitstops. And
that is an official count (I didn't sit there adding it up lol). That
was amazing, and it almost cancelled out the Ferrari Fiasco for me.
Every single time through the last turn he was right on the edge. I
wasn't a huge Villeneuve fan until that race, but that one performace
has swayed me quite a bit.

The racing is there, and it is fantastic to watch, but if you are
stuck with the local director pointing his camera at anything red all
weekend, I can see why you might think that everybody follows each
other until the pitstops. The only action seen up front this season
involved Ferraris parking on the finish line to let each other by, and
a couple of battles between Montoya and Raikkonen (that 6/7 corner
fight at Hockenheim was amazing, especially from the incar views).

One other thing, the Sky coverage of qualifying was the best I have
ever seen. They always managed to pick up the guys on quick laps and
ride them to the line, so you are never left wondering what is
happening. Sometimes I would check the data channel and wait for the
green times to show up, then check out that driver, but the Master
channel had beaten me to it anyway. Of course, that is irrelevant next
season due to the new qualifying rules the FIA have introduced,
carefully calculated to ruin the whole spectacle of qualifying.

Ok semi-rant over, guys.

mach

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by mach » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:30:02



Hmmmm... reminds me of my dad's 1970 VW bug pulling my uncle's 1967 (I think)
Plymouth Fury II out of a sand dune several years ago...
OTOH, my uncle could spin that Plymouth on two wheels right there in the sand...

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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:14:02

Yes, you really need to compare overtaking statistics from two eras before
you can really say for sure if there is less passing in one than another. TV
coverage can give a false impression about what's really happening on the
track.

That's just common sense.

David G Fisher



JM

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by JM » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:10:44


> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:42:00 +0000, Gerry Aitken

>>I'm 37!

> I'm 25, and I still find 95-02 F1 boring.

> It's kinda sad, take away one broken steering shaft and it would
> possibly still be a good sport.

> Jason

What broken steering shaft? Or is this some alternative dimension Ayrton
Senna that you're talking about?

This was all revealed in a documentary on Senna's death.  The steering
column was designed to move around like that- they had video footage of it
in testing at Williams, and spent a long time explaining the way it worked,
and how it was not a factor in the accident.  Senna's car crashed because
it bottomed out on the corner due to a lower ride height, caused by cool
tyres caused by following the pace car.

So where's the broken steering shaft come into it? Or did you make that one  
up?

cheers
John

Jason Moy

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Jason Moy » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:13:53



I'm talking about the broken steering column that's been reported in
nearly every article written on Senna's death and has been reported by
most sources as the cause of the accident.

Makes more sense, especially since the telemetry system was still
recording steering inputs after the point at which the shaft
supposedly broke.

Jason

Goy Larse

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by Goy Larse » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:39:38


> Yes, you really need to compare overtaking statistics from two eras before
> you can really say for sure if there is less passing in one than another. TV
> coverage can give a false impression about what's really happening on the
> track.

Hey, then there's nothing wrong with F1 then, just the TV coverage, in
last years Hungarian GP there was ONE pass made on the track (Jean
Alesi), yes I know Hungaro Ring is especially bad, almost as bad as
Monaco, but the fact that we seem to be getting a fair amount of these
modern " compact" tracks doesn't improve the situation when we know how
dependent these cars are about the downforce

Okay, so there's *some* passing going on F1, nice for those who are able
to watch it, doesn't do people like myself much good is it, I can't get
the digital package where I live, my cable co doesn't offer it and I'm
not allowed to set up a private dish, so if this is Bernie's great
scheme to lure me into buying the digital package, the joke is on him as
I won't be around much next year, one less viewer for the local sponsors
who are now footing the quite substantial bill for the local TV station
to carry the race at all, shitty commentators but I guess that's all
they can afford after paying premium for the broadcasting rights

So for me personally the races *are* more boring than ever, it may be
for a different reason than I first thought, but it's still boring...:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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John Pancoas

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by John Pancoas » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:04:35


> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:04:35 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> >  Nah, he'd be retired by now anyway.

> I meant in terms of the cars using slicks and running on tracks that
> weren't designed for go karts.

> I still laugh everytime I think about the Eau Rouge chicane they tried
> that one year (was it 95?).

> Jason

  Yeah, I know Jason, just being a smartass :)

John

TDRacin

OT-Jackie Stewart Is a Wise Man

by TDRacin » Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:59:47

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> > On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:42:00 +0000, Gerry Aitken

> >>I'm 37!

> > I'm 25, and I still find 95-02 F1 boring.

> > It's kinda sad, take away one broken steering shaft and it would
> > possibly still be a good sport.

> > Jason

> What broken steering shaft? Or is this some alternative dimension Ayrton
> Senna that you're talking about?

> This was all revealed in a documentary on Senna's death.  The steering
> column was designed to move around like that- they had video footage of it
> in testing at Williams, and spent a long time explaining the way it
worked,
> and how it was not a factor in the accident.  Senna's car crashed because
> it bottomed out on the corner due to a lower ride height, caused by cool
> tyres caused by following the pace car.

> So where's the broken steering shaft come into it? Or did you make that
one
> up?

> cheers
> John


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